Bands

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:13] Speaker B: Okay, we are back. Yes. For a new episode of Men of a Certain Five. How about that? Are you pumped up? I am, Brian Parks. And I got my buddy Phil Rizzo here. Phil, say hello. [00:00:24] Speaker A: What's going on, Bomber Man? Hey, listen, no more of that disclaimer high five crap, all right? This is. This is brand new. This is a Men of a Certain Five. Finally, we get to talk. Talk about our pod the way it should be. Talked about what's going on, buddy? [00:00:39] Speaker B: That's it, you know? Yeah. You know, it's funny, we had so many older episodes, we didn't know when we're gonna put these out. And, you know, they were kind of a little dated, but I think they were a lot of fun. So hopefully everybody got a chance to chime in and, like, the topics. And we got. We got a banger for you today. How about that? [00:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah, we had fun doing them. You know, that. That was fun. And we didn't want to waste all that time we spent. Even though it was over the course of like, a year and a half that we recorded those six episodes. We were just trying to put stuff in the. In the bank and then get ready to release it. We didn't think so much about, like, you know, the. The time difference and all the inconsistencies that are going on in the real world while we're talking about this stuff back in, you know, late 2023 and 2024. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And. Yeah, and again, here we are. You know, we shopped around some different thoughts of the titles there and stuff. And, you know, it's amazing to think about when you, you know, the endless amount of podcasts that are out there. And also the list podcast, like, obviously, thank God, a lot of other people besides us like to do these lists or talk about lists. So I can't get enough listening to a lot of these. And, you know, you pick your favorite. A lot of it is, you know, maybe the topic or the rapport of the people and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, also top 10. I don't mean you've talked about this many times. I know we do. We have our other podcast, the Warp Top 10, the Star Trek Warp Top 10 podcast. And that's top 10 lists, but mostly for those. At least for now. It's mostly you making the list of me kind of just ripping off of that kind of a thing. But, yeah, I don't know a Star Trek as well. But my point is we could. We go on for. If we had a top 10 list, even on this. We do top five, and we're losing an hour and a half of our lives here. Like, what are we doing? How long are we gonna make these? You know, it's so true. [00:02:14] Speaker A: It's true. It's so true. And we got into it. We're like, all right, we're only gonna do five. The episodes will be 30 minutes, 40 minutes tops. You know, we'll bang them out. We'll do two a night, you know. Oh, my God. It's like an hour and 20 minutes. We're like, holy, we're on. All right, number three. That's crazy. [00:02:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. But. But I think that, to me, the fun of it is a top five list is a very hard one to do just because, you know, I mean, obviously, depending on what the topic is, but top 10, like, I think we talked about this on one of the other pods too, where you could kind of, you know, you want to fill in some spots and you could just have a chance to talk about some things, but they're not really in the mix as far as getting up there. But then when you get up there, you're like, damn. And, you know, this is. This is tough to come up with the. The best five of whatever the hell it is we're talking about. You know, it is. [00:02:54] Speaker A: But, hey, who better qualified, man? I'm not saying we're good at it. Just saying we've been doing it for so long. Like, why the not just, you know, it's just another excuse to talk about. We've been doing off air, you know, since we've known each other, just talking about top five quarterbacks, top five this, top five, you know, top five everything. So it. It's just. It's just fun to talk about. So breaking them down is. Is the fun part. [00:03:15] Speaker B: And today we have top five bands. But before we get into that, Phil, you want to hit him with a little bit of how I can reach out to us there? [00:03:22] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. Listen, so you can check out our content on TikTok Instagram threads at. At. Men of a certain five. That's the number five. Men of a certain number five. And you could shoot us an email now, let us know what's going on out there. Menofacertain5gmail.com not to confuse you too much, but this 5 is F I V E spelled out. So TikTok Instagram, enofacertain5 number five. And you can email us menofacertain5gmail.com that's five spelled out so, yeah, let us know what's going on out there. Give us your list, your top five bands, top five historical figures, top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. Any of the topics you've touched on already. We want to hear from you. Let us know what's going on. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Wonderful. And you know, also, I don't know if you want to hit this off the top here now. You know, we haven't had a chance to really chime in on this because this is one of the brand new one we're shooting here. We're gonna try to, you know, record these as we go. Much more updated than years apart. But we, we have a little housekeeping from the last episode. Is that right, Phil? [00:04:25] Speaker A: Oh, we definitely do. Yeah. [00:04:28] Speaker B: So I believe the last one we put out there was the movie theater experiences. There was a fun one and we were talking about a little Star wars there, weren't we? [00:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we're talking about Star wars and how, you know, it got nominated for a bunch of Oscars, you know, and I think I had said it got nominated for six Oscars and none of them acting. I think I was wrong about that. Bummer. [00:04:50] Speaker B: And I had, I was not there to back you up in the recording. So, yeah. [00:04:55] Speaker A: I, I think Sorrella Guinness did get nominated for best supporting actor for the Oscars in 1977. So. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that was my mistake. Yeah, a little. Hey, look, it's something small, but if, if it's wrong, it's wrong and we admit that. [00:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't want, we don't want some star. We know there's more die hard Star wars fans than us out there, and we don't want them driving off the road there. They're listening to their podcast there. So what are we doing? [00:05:18] Speaker A: Fortunately, since we are men of a certain five, most of them weren't alive then, so it's just us. So hopefully they don't know. Hopefully our old asses are going to be the ones who remember 1977. So, I mean, I know you. You don't. Right. You were fucking. When were you born? [00:05:32] Speaker B: I was born, but 79. Yes. We mentioned a lot of Star wars where, you know, I, you know, like I said, from. For me, not again. I was a child when those movies came out. I think I said Return of the Jedi was the first movie I might have seen in the movie theater. Well, I'm the only member I have is the royal guards and the red outfits for some reason shiny right now. Yeah. That I can today. Oh, you know, but I get you, but, but yeah, no, my, my Star wars memories are the re release of the originals and then all the new nonsense that's been out there since. But. [00:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense. [00:06:07] Speaker B: But now we're, we're gonna switch over to music here, Phil. [00:06:11] Speaker A: To our top five bands. That's fun. Yeah, I'm very excited to talk about, talk about bands, actually, because one band on my list I've been really listening to lately. I've listened to him for decades, but for some reason I'm just diving back into it now. So I'm excited to talk about it. So when we get there, I will mention it for sure. [00:06:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And you know, you. I was going to say real quick, you know, you mentioned the emails. Email, where people can email us, you know, if they want to say hello or give us their list or suggestions. [00:06:40] Speaker A: For topics coming in. [00:06:42] Speaker B: That's a good one. That's a good idea. And eventually we'll get some guests on here. I know we've already got a few people are looking to hit us up to come on about a topic, but I want to throw a shout out to my friend Mr. Stephen Paul, who is a big fan of the podcast there, my buddy from college there. And he, he did send me, but it was through a text, not the email. He was, he had to chime in on the Indiana Jones ones and he was with you on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom being his favorite. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Stephen, thank you, Stephen. Good job. Thanks for listening. Thanks for agreeing that the Temple of Doom is in fact the best Indiana Jones movie. Well done. Well done. [00:07:19] Speaker B: All right, are you done now? I know I. So I was gonna say I bring him up also because when it comes to bands, you know, I'm gonna throw a quick disclaimer out there for me on this one that, for me, I don't know where you stand on this, but whenever I think of to hear the word band, I mostly think of rock. Now, of course, there's heavy metal and there's all this other stuff and everything, you know, but I am not as versed as a lot of other folks are when it comes to that kind of stuff. And again, little, I always call him Little Steve because he's shorter than me. Buddy. He, along with you and my buddy Joey, kind of got me into the Beatles like I was. I didn't really grow up listening to a lot of this stuff. I mean, you know, I, you know, I, I liked Billy Joel a lot because my brother listened to him, you know, but. But I can't tell you, you know, even today, now and then I'm getting better. But I don't know, you know, the Goo Goo Dolls from, you know, Guns N Roses. I'm very bad with all that stuff. So my list is going to be on jazz bands because I grew up loving old jazz that my father got me into. So I'm going to be. So this might put somebody to sleep and you'll wait, wait. You wait for Phil's five. So what can I tell you? [00:08:19] Speaker A: No, that's interesting, man. Like, that's one of the things that's always fascinated me about you. You're such a. Such from a different era in some ways. Like, you're such an old soul when it comes to, like, the, the pop culture that you devour, you know. You know, when I met this kid, he was all into, you know, Al Jolson and, you know, all these old Frank Capra movies and, you know, Hitchcock. And it was. I'd never known a friend who was into stuff like that. So it was kind of fascinating to talk to you about these things because I was coming at it from, you know, completely sort of ignorant angle there. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, I, you know, for some reason, my brother grew up with it too, and we have. He likes all of this stuff as well. But specifically the jazz music is something that I, My dad introduced me to that. I just, it just, it grabbed me 100, especially 20s, 30s, 40s, swing. I'm not, I'm not into really the bebop thing. I wasn't really a big, you know, Miles Davis guy, but ironically, my buddy Joey, his. He. I know his father's big on John Coltrane, and as someone, I've been trying to listen to more of that and try. I. I want to open up my mind. I don't want to be tied down to everything. I want to open up my horizons. So maybe a band you'll mention today will. Will start Be being played on my phone here. You never know. [00:09:32] Speaker A: I certainly want to. I, I've been annoying people in my life talking about one of these bands that I've. Again, I've listened to for years. But now all of a sudden, I've had such a renaissance with this band. But yeah, hey, let's. Let's talk about it. We'll get there. What do you say? You want to kick this baby off or what? [00:09:48] Speaker B: All right, let's do it. [00:09:49] Speaker A: You going first? [00:09:51] Speaker B: I will go first. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Top five bands, kids. [00:09:55] Speaker B: You know, I think most people want to hear your list, so we're going to let you end it off. How about that? What are we doing here? Yes. No top five bands. All right, now my number five is going to be. This is a fun one for anybody out there, really, because it's the only one that I have on here that, hey, the people are still alive. What can I say? You know? So I was working in a restaurant years ago, and it was called Richardson Series. It was in Montclair, and had. They had three levels. The restaurant, it was phenomenal. Top. Top floor. They had like a dance floor, dance band, bar and everything. Second floor was like the regular restaurant. And then the basement had like a. A wine cellar, and they had a. They had an old Errol Flynn Robin Hood poster on the wall, and right next to that was a bottle of wine sticking out of the wall. And you pulled the bottle and the. And the. The poster moved. There was a whole back room back there. It was like a speakeasy back there. It was insane. Oh, that's awesome. And, you know, actually some of the devils came and had dinner down there one night. I was off that night. Of course I was. I did meet Yogi Berra there. Like, the place had people that would come in. It was. It was insane, you know. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:50] Speaker B: And. But. But they always had a band. He always had this. Usually the same band come and play. But of course, one night I wasn't there. My buddy Dan Johnson, who just had a baby, his wife just had a baby, beautiful Ben. But he says to me, parks, there was a band here that you would have absolutely loved. And he actually gave me a CD from there. They. They were giving out CDs or whatever. I don't know if maybe he bought it. No. And Danny probably bought the thing for me. But he goes, you got to listen to this. So the band was called Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Wow. [00:11:19] Speaker B: And this guy was on the money because I instantly was like, this is right up my alley. He plays all 20s, 30s jazz music, and he. He's so popular that mostly he plays. He's out of New York, and he's been on Martin Scorsese, uses them all the time. He's on Boardwalk Empire. He's. He was on Mrs. Maisel. I know that's not Scorsese, but you know what I'm saying? Like, whenever they want these. This kind of music, they seem to go to him a lot of. Some of these shows. [00:11:45] Speaker A: And what. What kind of music is exactly? [00:11:47] Speaker B: It's. I want to say, swing. Jazz. Swing music. Or like, you know, early jazz or, you know, there's a. I don't want to say a touch of ragtime, but it's more like Tin Pan Alley or. [00:11:57] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:11:57] Speaker B: I really don't know how to describe it 100%. It's. It's kind of just, you know, Duke ellington, you know, 30s, 40s, kind of. [00:12:06] Speaker A: Or too late? [00:12:06] Speaker B: No, I would say even 20s. Mostly 20s and 30s. [00:12:09] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, they. They. [00:12:10] Speaker B: They do play 40s as well, but. But yeah. And I've actually gone to see him a few times in the city, you know, different places. I forget the name of the place I saw him first. It was somewhere near Bryant park in New York, if you know what that is. But it was at a restaurant there. And he would play, like, Mondays and Tuesdays, and then I definitely saw him a few times at a place called the Guana, which is a Mexican restaurant, like 54th Street, I want to say. So I'm there a few times, and then Alice got me tickets to see him at the Blue Note Jazz Club down in the Village. He played there at. And then now. Now he plays a lot at the place called Birdland. He plays there right now on Mondays and Tuesdays. You know, it's great. We've gone with Allison a few times now, and I. I love the music, and I love. He's very nice. Comes over, says Lodi. In fact, I told him. I said, you don't understand what it's just like to see you do this. I said, this is like, I'd rather. I'd rather see. You didn't see Billy Joel or anybody, you know? He's like, well, keep drinking, pal. You know, like, it was very. You know, it's funny, you know, but it's just great music. If anybody gets a chance, Vince Giordano and the Nighthawks, check him out. You'll love them. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Very cool. Yeah. I mean, never. Never heard him, obviously, but. Nah, dude, take me. Take me one day. Like, I. I'd love to. You know, I've always been fascinated with the idea of, like, a speakeasy and, like, a nice, chill jazz club. Like, I could sit there, smoke a cigar, and just feel the music, like. Totally, totally. Let's do that one night. That'd be so much fun. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I'm down. I've definitely. We'll make it happen. [00:13:34] Speaker A: Awesome. All right, so let's. Yeah, so let's. Let's change genres here a little bit. So my number five, top five bands. My number five is Disturbed. So this is the only band in my five that I don't, like, completely know. You know, like, I don't know every album. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I. After Asylum, which came out in 2010, I believe I've never. I've heard what's on the radio and shit like that, but I've never really deep. Dove into the albums, like, for, you know, for whatever reason. I just, you know, I didn't keep going hard in the Disturbed, but I'm a big hard rock guy, you know, heavy metal sometimes, you know, like. But, like, hard rock is. That's right. You know, hard rock and classic rock are my two, like, perfect wheelhouses. And Disturbed is just. What do you got? [00:14:26] Speaker B: No, that was just funny the way you were like, you know, you got so pumped up about them being in. This is the way. This is where you're living here with this, you know, Pretty much. [00:14:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, people might. They're. Disturbed is considered, I guess, new metal, I guess, when they came out in, like, you know, 2000 or whatever. But it's not that hard. Me. You know what I mean? It's not. It's really not that hard. They're hard rock, if you ask me. Hard rock, SL metal. But, yeah, they're hard rock. But, yeah, I mean, there's just, you know, I love listening to them. They're very. They're such good, good crisp sound. The lead singer's got incredible voice. David Draymond, I think his name is. He's got an incredible voice. Again, I'm not Die Hard, you know, like. Like, I'd love to stir, but, like, you know, I'm not like, Die Hard. Die Hard. I don't know everything about the band. I don't know all that stuff. Music is one of those genres that, like, I've always just loved, but it's not. Like, to be honest, movies and TV are way more for me, you know. You know, so I like the bands I like and I. You know, I actually haven't. This may be, like, the last new band I kind of like, to be honest, this much. And they're not new. They've been around for 25 years. So, you know, like, with the possible exception of, like, a few bands that I'm kind of into, like, Launa Coil and, like, recently. But Disturb is kind of the last new band I really dove into. But. But, yeah, no, like, the first five albums are amazing. And, you know, I. I would, of course, listen to more. I saw them once. They do a great live show, actually. It was a great show. It was Hailstorm, Stone Tower, Avenged Sevenfold, and Disturbed. It was a crazy ass show. Saw them on the Asylum tour. I think that was 2011 or 2010 at you know, Garden State Arts center, whatever the it's called now. What do. What do you got? [00:16:01] Speaker B: Are you Disturbed that I have heard none of the bands that you mentioned there. I don't know any of these names. [00:16:07] Speaker A: No, no, I' not surprised. You've heard it Disturbed though, right? [00:16:10] Speaker B: No, I never did actually. No, you know, down with the Sickness. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Like, you know, Disturbed, you know, get down with the Sickness, you know. You know those songs. What the do I know? [00:16:20] Speaker B: No, no, I was going to say you're 100% right about this. For the standpoint of 99% of the time, if, if a. Like I said, if Disturbed, one of the. Whatever their big song is, if it came on, I've definitely been like, oh, of course I've heard this, but I didn't know it was Disturbed. That kind of. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Oh, I hear that. That's for me with like, like pop music. Like when I hear like I'm always like, this is Christina Aguilera. Like, this is freaking. I didn't know Adele. This is Adele, you know, actually I know it. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I'll be like, oh no, Lady Gaga sang this. I like the song, you know, 100 yes. Yeah, but yeah, no, so Disturbance is one of those bands like, you know, I was working at Burger Kings. This kid just started playing it one night again. It was just a perfect hard sound, nice and crisp. The drummer's pretty kick ass. I think he uses the bass. A little bass drum a little too much, but. But just talented musicians. They do great 80s covers. I don't know what it is about like they're fascinated with doing covers of 80s songs and they knock it out of the park. Yeah, they do a great Atlantic infusion. They do a good, you know, Shout by Tears for Fears. They do. I Still haven't found what I'm looking For by you too, which is really cool. So yeah, just an all around fun band. If I'm looking, if I'm, you know, want to listen to something a little hard but not like, you know, not too hard. Not like Slipknot for me is hard by the way, guys, not like Slipknot or you know, something even harder. Disturbance is perfect. This, that, that. Just enough hard and edge for me to like be satisfied and bang my head and boom, I'm out now. [00:17:40] Speaker B: You know, maybe I would have heard of them if you would have played some of them. When we were working at Burger King instead of that Chris Rock stand up album 9,000 times or the south park movie soundtrack, you know, which were great. But, you know, we could have heard a little Disturbed, maybe. [00:17:51] Speaker A: Dude, I used to torture these people. I used to play the same CDs every goddamn night. Like, when I get into something, I ride it out for, like, three years. So, like. Yeah, it's the same. That same mix I played all the time. [00:18:01] Speaker B: You guys must have hated me now, now, was this. Was this number five Disturbed? Was rock, right? You know, was there any thought to this? Was like, number six could have been there or was like, number five Disturbed was definitely there. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, no. There could have been some replacements. So I have three honorable mentions that I'll get to later, but, like. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Each of them could have been in there, but the top four are untouchable. So, no offense, Disturbed, but, like, you know, I. I could have interchanged it if I was, you know, in the right zone within one of these other bands. But my top four, I wouldn't move for anything interesting. So let's get there. Who's your number four? [00:18:37] Speaker B: Let's move on. Yes. So I. So we're gonna go into, you know, I guess you want to say that this is definitely more 20s, somewhat 30s, later on. But mostly, to me, this band is. The best time for me, for this band is in the 20s. This is a guy named Fletcher Henderson. Now, you know, and you listen to music. Sometimes one guy will lead you. One band will lead you to another band kind of thing, you know. And I don't know if you ever heard of Al Hirschfield. I think his first name is Al. He used to do those caricatures of, like, famous people. Like cartoon drawings of famous people, at least back in the day, you know. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker B: And these. They had a CD collection. When I was young, when I was just getting into music, it was to go to Sam Goody. Believe it. I used to go there and buy CDs and stuff like that. There you go. And they had a jazz series of greatest hits, but all the front covers were all drawings of Al Horshoot. I collected them all. And the one I bought, the one I listened to the most out of all these was actually Benny Goodman. But the guy that. The guy that arranged the music for his band was Fletcher Henderson. And then I kind of got into him because I realized he was. I didn't realize he was a piano player. Had his own band back in the day. So he. And I was telling people in My mind now. Don't. You know what's funny? I never listen to a lot of. I know you know the name Duke Ellington. Of course, I didn't really. I haven't really listened to a lot of his stuff. That's what I want to listen to more. But again, it's. I'm just finding his stuff from like the twenties as well to be kind of interesting to me. But I've always found his band to be somewhat kind of boring. But now people that like jazz will probably. Right. Run off the road there on that. But I want to get into him more. But this guy, in my opinion, if you wanted to hear a band that sounds like a 1920s, like, speakeasy jazz band to me, I would always say Fletcher Henderson is the guy, is the one for me. And he had. He had guys like Coleman Hawkins in his band and of course, Louis Armstrong. Who, you know, you. You would know that name. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Sure. [00:20:28] Speaker B: But just his sound. And he. He had a. I don't know how to describe it the way that. And again, it petered into other bands later on. So I. I would. I have to say it's someone that I found through something else. And, yeah, I put him at number four. You know, we're of course, going back in the day here, but what can we do, you know? [00:20:45] Speaker A: So he's not still alive anymore. Fletcher Henderson. [00:20:48] Speaker B: He gone. [00:20:49] Speaker A: He gone. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:51] Speaker A: Interesting. The first two. I never even heard him. I love it. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:57] Speaker A: I never talked about music too much. You know what I mean? Like, it's funny, but, you know, it's funny. [00:21:00] Speaker B: You're right. And to be honest with you, this is something that is such a. It's so funny. You're so funny because like you said before, with movies and tv, you know, like, being much more of a. That was definitely me too. But for some reason, music was something that I never. I never really talked about it with people because I didn't really listen to music growing. I didn't start listening to music till I was like a senior in high school. Like, it was never a thing I was really into. I don't know how to describe it. It was very. I was very kind of weird that way. So I was kind of always on my own with it. And I knew people wouldn't like what I liked. [00:21:26] Speaker A: And. [00:21:26] Speaker B: I don't know. I never really had these. And I always felt left out when people were talking about music because I didn't know it and I wasn't. I don't know. It was a very weird thing for me. With music, but. And even the music I do like, like you said, I know I don't know all about it as people that know way more than me, but it's just. This is the stuff that I've liked and I. What. What I know about it, I like to talk about it for talking about. [00:21:44] Speaker A: It, you know, Especially if you don't get a chance to talk about it all the time. Right. Like we just said, like, our 25 years of being friends, we've never really deep dove into music. Like, you know, you make fun of my music, I make fun of your music sometimes just for jokes, but, like, yeah, I never heard of the first two guys you're talking about, you know, And. And I hear you, like, because there are some people who, like, they live for music. Like my buddy Joe. Like, he's like. He is die hard music. I mean, he's into movies and TV and comics and all that shit too, but, like, he's very into music, and my brother's very music. You know, he's still discovering new bands and listening to him. And I just, you know, after, like the early. Early to mid-90s, after the whole grunge alternative thing, which I was so into, I kind of just, you know, I kind of just focused on movies and tv. I kind of stopped really getting into more music. I mean, I still like music, duh. But like, yeah, it was so important to me in high school and like, in college, you know, I was really diving into classic rock and hard rock and alternative. But, like, after that, it's like, yeah, maybe it's when MTV stopped showing videos and I was like, you know what this. I'm out. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was the other thing to it. Here it is. I was writing that that was my time was the MTV thing. But I never. We were never into that. We never. I never watched one music video on mtv. And that was the biggest thing. When you were my age, that was the biggest thing going on. [00:22:56] Speaker A: I used to love it. I just leave it on in the background, just like, you know. You know, every once in a while Beavis and But have become a hunter some, but they still played videos, which was cool, you know, Like, I can't believe they don't still do that. It's so weird. But it is what it is. People watch what they watch, I guess. [00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:11] Speaker A: All right. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:12] Speaker A: So. Good one. [00:23:14] Speaker B: Well, I appreciate it. Let's. What do you got for number four there? [00:23:17] Speaker A: All right. Number four. So there you go. These. These four are near and dear to my heart. So My number four is. Maybe you heard of them? I don't know. I know you listening out there have heard of them. Maybe Bomber hasn't. Allison Chains, have you heard of Alice in Chains? [00:23:30] Speaker B: Absolutely. Now, I can't name a song, but if I heard one, I probably would be like, oh, of course. But I. I definitely know the name 100. [00:23:36] Speaker A: So this band. Yeah. So when I listen to this band back in the early 90s, like, I. I'd never heard anything like this before. Like, you know, it was very. It was very. It was hard, but not like. Not like hard rock. Like, this band is great. You can't really categorize this band. Like, they've been called Gloom Rock. They've been called, you know. You know, like I said, heavy metal, hard Rock, but they're really not. Like, Gloom Rock is the closest, but that puts too much of a negative spin on it. So. Allison Chainsaw, they've got such a great sound. The lead singer, Rest in Peace, Lane Staley, was such an amazing and unique voice. And believe it or not, I got into this band buying the single Soundtrack, the movie singles by Cameron Crowe. So the single Soundtrack is one of the greatest soundtracks ever, in my opinion. At the height of that Seattle boom of, you know, you know, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Allison Chains, they're all coming out of the same city at the same time. It was really exciting. Nirvana, I'm pretty sure most of them are from Seattle. Don't quote me on that. But Allison Chains had two songs on the single soundtrack, and one of them was Wood, which I know you've heard of. If. If I used to play it at Burger King all the time. So. Okay, I know you. You'd know it if I played it. But that song. That song floored me. It's still one of my favorite songs of all time. It's probably top 10. Just the bass, the mood setting bass in the beginning and just the way it kind of kicks off. They got two singers, which, as you. As you'll see later on my list, I clearly like. So, you know, Jerry Cantrell and Lane Staley both do vocals. Just a great drum, just a great band, but such a unique sound. You know, you listen to Alison Chains, you're like, wow, I'm. I've kind of, you know, you're listening to something unique and, in my opinion, special. It's just such a great sound. Dirt is one of the best albums of all time. I'll never shy away from that. It was their second album. Their second. Yeah, yeah. Facelift was the first album and then Dirt came out. Main studio album. Anyway. Oh. Matter of fact, Troy, when I was up in Boston a couple times ago, he's got his. He's got his LP collection. So he's got this old school record player going. I love it. And he got Dirt and we. We jammed to that. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Wow. [00:25:53] Speaker A: High as drunk. Just listening to, you know, Angry Chair Wood, you know, Them Bones and. Oh, it's an amazing album. Amazing. It changed me. I. In college. That. That album definitely made me think differently about the music that I listen to. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Interesting. Wow. So those are the kind of things you live for when you. When something like that happens, you know, like, what are we doing here? You know, it's just. [00:26:15] Speaker A: And there were short lived, which is. Or short lived. Some people say they're short lived, which is a shame. I. I think by my count, including like Jar of Flies, I think they only had five albums, which is bonkers. Really. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:28] Speaker A: You know, he died in the mid-90s. Lane Staley, the lead singer. And I think they. They still make music, but it's. It's not the same, you know, it's. It's. It's not the Alison Chains that I was so into, but I never. The only band on this list that I never saw live in any form. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:26:47] Speaker A: All the other bands I've seen live, so that's my one big regret is not seeing Alison Chains while Lane was alive. And even as an opening act, they open for like Rush. They open for like some really good bands in the. In the 90s. I could have had a chance to see them, but. Or Lollapalooza, they played at. But I didn't. I didn't get a chance. But hey, I still listen to them to this day. I still rock to Alice in Chains. They're great. And I just love that title. Like that. That's such a unique and awesome name for a band. Don't ask. Any idea. [00:27:15] Speaker B: I have no idea how they came up. Yeah, okay. I was gonna say. Yeah. You don't ask. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I don't. You know, other than like my top five. [00:27:22] Speaker B: Three. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Like, you know, I don't. I didn't dive into the history. I don't know so much about the actual history of the man. Just the content, just the music itself. And it just floors me. [00:27:31] Speaker B: It sounds like they had a fetish for Alice in Wonderland. They were like, let's. Let's tie her up and see what happens. [00:27:35] Speaker A: I mean, maybe. Maybe that's what. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe they're they're flipping the. Sort of the. The genre there, and they're just kind of. All right, take this. This, you know, Alice in Wonderland. This. This. This innocent thing and making it, you know, dark and dirty and gloomy, you know. But, you know, people. People listen to their. The lyrics sometimes. They're kind of dark. I mean, disturbs are too. You know, the. You're a band like that, you have to say negative things sometimes. But honestly, most of the music had never depressed me, even though the tone lends itself to that. But I was always uplifted and just fired up when I listened to Alison Chains. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:28:10] Speaker A: All right. That's. That's my number four. What do you got? Number three. [00:28:13] Speaker B: I was gonna say two things. One was. It's so funny you brought that up when you said the depressed thing or, you know, fired up. It's like one of the main reasons why I think the jazz music got to me was, you know, what is. As I get older, sometimes I like some of the sentimental stuff and, you know, this and that. But if I. If I had a pick, I want to hear the band jamming out like that. That to me. And to me, it's like the music just sounds when. When it's full go and full, full bore, it sounds so alive, and I just feel like. I feel so alive hearing it. It's like one of those things where it's like. It just makes me think of life. Like, I love the idea of walking into a room and just hearing the music some. The whole band's just jamming out, like, loud like that. I love that. And to me, it's. It's that sound. My sound is that early jazz sound. [00:28:55] Speaker A: You know what? We might find. We might find a little middle ground here. Like, I would love to play you some Almond Brothers band, you know. Well, I know them, of course. Yeah, you know. You know, some. But two of my favorite songs by them are instrumentals, and they just. They just let it loose. Like Jessica's. Like seven minutes of Just Bliss, in my opinion, and in Memory of Elizabeth Reed is. I want to say it's 17 minutes. Maybe not maybe. Maybe it's like 13 minutes or something, but it's. I mean, they just. They just let it loose. They just have some fun. It's organic. It's. It's a lot of fun. It might be. You might be interested in. In, you know, if you want to take what you like and make it a little more modern, that might be something to look into, you know, some of those jam bands of the, you know, late 60s and 70s. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Listen, I want to broaden the horizons here. You know, what are we doing? But I was also gonna say before you. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Real quick, before you nitpick me, before we. Before we. Housekeeping. Next time. I want to say I'm not 100% sure that Allison Chains had two songs on the single soundtrack. I know Pearl Jam definitely did, and I'm pretty sure the Pumpkins did. But I may be thinking of. Allison Chains definitely had two songs on the Last Action Hero soundtrack. Another great soundtrack, by the way, the Schwarzenegger movie. Yeah, the movie's kind of hilarious, but the soundtrack is awesome. [00:30:05] Speaker B: But I. I was gonna say, too you, when you mentioned before, the House of Chains, I think maybe had five albums. Like, you're not sure, but you think it's right around there. I'm like. I think in my mind, I'm thinking to myself how insane it is that to some people, like, fight for a band to make five albums that are banging. That's. That seems like a lot, you know, but at the same time, it's also not a lot. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy to think of, like, you know what. What a wacky thing. [00:30:29] Speaker A: I'll tell you what. Like, they're. They're, like, you said, they're solid albums. You know, it's not like, you know, one of my bands. On two of my bands on this list, there's some albums that are not great. You know, I mean, they're just not, you know, when you put out, you know, a bunch, it can't all be Dark side of the Moons or the White Album. [00:30:45] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:30:45] Speaker A: Or, you know, insert your favorite band's greatest album here. But, yeah, I mean, five or five is pretty good, in my opinion. And. And I think they were. I think they were five for five, for sure. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. Awesome. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:00] Speaker B: All right, well, let's move it along here. [00:31:02] Speaker A: Number three. What do you got? [00:31:04] Speaker B: Well, now, almost like you said, with the top four for you, this is, for me, my top three or, you know, very, very. Where I. You know, I could have swapped Vince and put him three, four and put Fletcher five. Or, you know, but to me, my top three are just, like, really probably unshakable. And again, it's hard doing this in a way where it's like, a lot of this, to me is really more individual than bands. But, you know, I think a lot of it depends. At least for the next two, though, it. I shouldn't say that the first two I mentioned, too. It really depends on the whole band, really too. But the next one is everybody knows the name is Louis Armstrong. Now, you know, anybody that likes jazz, you know, a lot of people be like, there's the Louis side, which is the early. Or Miles, which is later on. But to me, Louis Armstrong is one of these guys where, you know, it's tough to think about someone like you said, like Alison Chains. But they had five albums that were really banging all this stuff. And I don't know, you know, I don't know how long their career is or was. But like, Louis Armstrong was such a big figure and obviously music he lived. His career is insanely long. Where it's like, you know, like later on, everybody knows what a Wonderful World and all. Some of his singing stuff. But my favorite Louis Armstrong stuff is again, the earlier stuff, 20s, 30s, where a lot of it is instrumental. It's funny you said about the Allman Brothers with the instrument. I love nothing more than listening to the music where there's nobody singing. I'm just listening to the band jam out, you know, and nobody jammed out, you know, quite like this guy. And. And his. My favorite recordings of his are with this group called. I don't know if it's necessarily called a group of the Recordings who called this, but they were the Hot 5 and Hot 7 recordings, or what they're known as. If you're a jazz fan, you've heard this, of course, but. And some of his big songs on there, I don't even know how to describe. West End Blues is a big one. Boku, Jack Muggles. There's a lot of these weird titles, but. But again, a lot of it is just the whole band plays. Well, they're jamming out. I'm trying to think there's any other big jazz names in there. There's. There was a guy named Earl Hines. I don't know if you ever heard that name. [00:33:07] Speaker A: I think I have, actually. I don't know where from. But. [00:33:10] Speaker B: But. But he. He. Again, not that all of his other stuff isn't. Later. Later on he played a thing called the Jazz All Stars with a guy named Jack Teargarden or. And he's played with a million people. Obvious. Like, to me, it's that early stuff and it's the. The sound of him just playing the trumpet is just, you know, what are we doing here? You know. And to me, it's like, I will always. And again, it's like I always remember listening to music for the first time, really, with my Father in my backyard, and he was playing these old jazz cassettes. And really the two I listened to the most with were Louis Armstrong and Benny Goodman, who was coming down the road here. But. Yeah, but I, I. It's one of these things where it's like everybody knows him and everybody loves his voice, that gravelly voice, and we all, you know, everybody's heard a song of his or loves a song of his. But, you know, to me, it's those early jazz ones. And actually, it's funny, there's a song called. There's an old jazz standard called St. Louis Blues or St. Louis Blues that I guess maybe the hockey team is named after. I don't know if that's the case, but his version of that. And actually, it's funny, most jazz bands have played this song. That's the funny thing about jazz bands is that most of them have played each other's songs, but some of them, some songs would be locked in. We're like, oh, they got like, Benny Goodman's band played Sing Sing Sing. I don't even know if I've heard another band play it. You know, something like that, where it's like. But St. Louis Blues, many bands played, but probably like three different versions of that. Louis Armstrong played at different points of his life. And all three of them are better than anything else I've heard of anybody else kind of a thing, you know. [00:34:39] Speaker A: It'S supposed to be. [00:34:40] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, so again, I know it's more probably individual than band, but this is what I got. What can I do, you know? [00:34:47] Speaker A: I mean, you know, and at some point, if we ever do, like, singers and you could do it again, you know what I mean? Or individual artists, whatever. Who the hell cares, man? [00:34:53] Speaker B: Yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah. I'm sure I could crop together a different list for a top five individual artists, but. Yeah, you know. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, of course. That's awesome. Hey, you know, I mean, I've, I've, I, I can't say I've ever really given a good listen. I've heard a couple songs, but. Oh, yeah, of course. You know, is he the what a Wonderful World? Right? That's him, right? [00:35:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I can't do that impression. John the Hick, he does a great impression of that. Actually, he doesn't. [00:35:18] Speaker B: That's. That's hilarious because we went. Last time I went to a Yankee game, they. We parked in his garage, we're walking down. Actually, this is how nerdy you can get. Sometimes I forget what song he was singing. I hear this guy outside singing. First of all, I thought it was a radio playing Louis Armstrong. That's how good this guy's voice was. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Wow. [00:35:36] Speaker B: But then I heard the song and I was like. And I forget what the song is now. I can't. But I'm racking my brain. I'm like, I don't think he ever recorded this song, you know? So I looked at my phone. I'm like, he didn't. Then I looked out the window or whatever, the peeked out through the garage to see. And I see this guy on the street dressed like, you know, like a white tuck singing Louis Armstrong. [00:35:53] Speaker A: So that's crazy. [00:35:54] Speaker B: And I went down there, we walked to the game. I told him, you're phenomenal, you know, and he sounded just like it. But the voice, that's press impressive. If John could do that, that is. That's a. It's a fun voice to try to do, I guess it is. [00:36:04] Speaker A: He used to. Very gravelly. He used to do it. He used to make. Make us all laugh doing that. It was pretty funny. Let me ask you real quick. The Jazz All Stars, is it east versus West? That how it works? [00:36:13] Speaker B: Or. You know what? It's so funny you say that. That's something again, that there's probably a million people way more versed in it than I am. I know. I don't really know the construct or how many different players came in and out. I want to say this was like the 50s 60s era that he was involved with this, and I. I guess they called it Jazz All Stars because he would get, you know, a great group of players to play. But I'm sure it was kind of interchangeable. I don't know how many. I know there was a guy named Jack Teargarden who played. I believe he played trombone, but I'd have to look this up, but I'm not sure all the different names that came in and out of that. But. Yeah, I know you're making a joke there, but I. I'm not as versed in that as I should be, but yeah, all right. [00:36:53] Speaker A: That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, it's got to be. And again, yeah, I know nothing about this. This genre of music, really. It'd be interesting to check some of it out. [00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's funny. There's a documentary, which I'll talk about later on, too, but it's funny. Everybody makes fun of Ken Burns with the documentaries and stuff, but I did watch the jazz one because I. Well, I would have seeked it Out. I've actually watched it three times since, but. But I. I watched it when I was in college. I had to get rid of some credits or take some more credits. So I had. There was an intro to jazz class. I'm like, oh, I'm definitely jumping in on this. [00:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:22] Speaker B: And I was able to finish up my credits, but. Hilarious. This is how the class was. Part of the class was. We sat down and watched this fucking documentary. How hilarious. It's all. It's like. I want to say eight parts and. Who's the. Who's the dude that he does so much voiceover? Black actor Keith David. Is that his name? [00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, sure. [00:37:42] Speaker B: Keith. Keith David. If that's the community work and. [00:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, of course. [00:37:46] Speaker B: Men at work. That's what I was thinking about. They live. Right? [00:37:50] Speaker A: Of course. Yeah, yeah. [00:37:52] Speaker B: He narrates it and he's phenomenal. Obviously, his voice is great, too, but. But they do obviously do a major section on Louis. They talk about Louis throughout the whole thing. And Miles Davis and John Coltrane and some of the big players. Duke Ellington gets a big thing and Benny Goodman, you know, But. But it's definitely worth the watch. If you like documentaries, if you want. If you're interested in checking it out. [00:38:10] Speaker A: I've always wanted to watch Ken Burns baseball, but I never got. I never got a chance to watch it. I've always wanted to check that one out. [00:38:14] Speaker B: I would like to check that out, too. Definitely. I. I've seen. He did a prohibition one, kind of a shorter one. I think it was three episodes. That was pretty good. I saw parts of the Civil War one. He has a Ben Franklin one. I'm dying to watch, but I haven't had a chance. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Oh, there you go. Very cool. All right, great. Good. Nice one. So number three. My number three is Kiss. Kiss. Kiss. Kiss, yes. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Oh, girl. Of course. I, of course know them. And, you know, who doesn't know Kiss? What are we doing here? [00:38:42] Speaker A: And hey, man, rest in peace, Ace Freely, who just died recently. You know, he was my favorite when I was growing up. He was my favorite Kiss doll. Me and my brother had the Kiss dolls. Drew had. Drew had Gene and Paul because he's the little brother and he wants the best ones. So I said, all right, I'll take my space Ace and. And Peter Chris. So I had those. Yeah. So Kiss. So Kiss was one of my first loves. Like, honestly, like, I've been into Kiss since I was no life 4 years old. My cousin Keith. Shout out to Keith, an older cousin. We used to go over to his, you know, his. My Aunt Pat's house. And we go in Keith's bedroom and you know, he was a. He was a teenager in the 70s, right? So he's getting high all the time and he's got, you know, he's got all these music posters on the wall and, you know, you know, so. So he's playing as Kiss and we're just like, holy, this is amazing. You know, Detroit Rock City was a big song, you know, in. In the. You've heard of that one, I think. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Wasn't that a movie too, or. [00:39:48] Speaker A: No, yeah, it was. Yeah. It was about a bunch of guys going to a Kiss concert. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Oh, really? Okay. [00:39:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:53] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Kiss is one of those bands. It's so weird. Kiss is one of those bands that has an enormous influence, but like, they never got, and maybe deservedly so never got the musical respect that they deserved. [00:40:04] Speaker B: You know, I mean, so 100, right? About that. That's a good point. You never hear them on any top lists of anything or at least any of the songs. It's always like Rolling Stones, Beatles or Zeppelin or, I don't know, you know. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Yeah, they're not lumped in. Probably because of the theatricality, probably because of the makeup, probably because, like, they were more, not more, but they were like. It was half and half. It was hand in hand. It was half the music, half the theatrical presentation, right? But say what you will, like, you know, they. They really brought spectacle to rock music in the 70s, right? So anyway, we go over his house and we listen to Detroit Rock City. And at the end of the out. The end of the song on the album Destroyer, at the end of Detroit Rock City, there's this car crash at the end, you know, the big. You know. So as cousins, we'd all like. We'd all be on the top bunk of his, like, bunk beds and we'd all jump off just as it crashed. And we do it all the time, you know, so like, like this chitty little thing that you do as a four or five year old, you know what I mean? Next thing you know, like, you're into this band, you know, it's just kind of how it is. But. And case in point, about the albums, right? So Kisses had a million albums, you know what I mean? And some of them are absolute garbage, you know, Some of them are, you know, not great, you know, Unmasked comes to mind. I think it's 1980. It was. It was terrible. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Is that, is that like one of the. I know I don't know the history of all this stuff, but I remember you. I think you might have been the one that told me this. There wasn't ever a point where they didn't wear the makeup and they played. Was this one of the. One of those Unmasked. That's. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Well, you know. You know what's funny is. No, actually, I correct myself. So. [00:41:28] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, actually, no, you're wrong. [00:41:31] Speaker A: No, they're referring to that. But the last album they did in makeup was Creatures of the Night, I think, in 1983. And when animal eyes came out in 1984, animalized, I think it was. That was the first album and videos where they had no makeup on. And then they did that till, like, 1995, 96, I guess, when Psycho Circus came out. And then they put the makeup back on, and that's when I was able to see them, which is awesome. [00:41:58] Speaker B: I'm laughing because I. For some reason, when he was talking about this, I couldn't get Teen Wolf out of my head. [00:42:02] Speaker A: When. [00:42:03] Speaker B: When Michael J. Fox doesn't want to be the wolf anymore. Like, what the hell? Where's the wolf man? This is what this sounds like. Like, they should go in there and where's Kiss? And there's no makeup. You're like, what the are we doing here? [00:42:11] Speaker A: I think they did it as to not be stale. Like, I feel like that's why they did it. Like, you know. You know, almost like parrot sketch. You know. Gene famously doesn't answer that question. At least he didn't for a while, because they were asked it too much when they first did it. And I was too young, so I wasn't, you know, in third grade. I'm not watching interviews with Kiss. And, you know, we didn't have MTV until, like, 84, 85 in Jackson, where I was growing up. But so they probably did it just to, you know, be stale. And then obviously, you know, it makes money each time. And then you put it back on, it's like, oh, my God, Kiss is putting the makeup back on. [00:42:42] Speaker B: That's true, I guess. [00:42:43] Speaker A: And I got a chance. But not just the makeup. So they also went back to the same stage presence that they had in the 70s and the early 80s. So they did the, you know, the fire coming out of, you know, and Gene is spitting blood and he's got his tongue out. And, you know, you know, all the stuff that you see iconic Kiss, like, they brought that back in 96, and we got. We saw him at the Garden, and it was phenomenal. Like, it Was. It was a thrill. It was one of the biggest thrills of my life because I never thought I would get a chance to see this band that I like so much in its, you know, heyday sort of style, you know. So that was amazing. Little footnote, angel was actually at the same concert, but we didn't. We weren't talking at the time. My wife, angel, we went to high school together. We were friends, graduated. We kind of lost touch after high school. And then, you know, four years later, we both saw Kiss at the Garden. And then we didn't realize that until we got together, you know, 16 years ago. So that's fun. No, but Kiss, me and my brother, we've always been really into Kiss. I got some friends who are really into, you know, like DK isn't really into Kiss, and my cousins, you know, it's just one of those bands that was always just. It got into my heart when I was 4 years old and I never let go. Like, it's. You know. But here's. Here's the interesting thing. And I swear to God, up until a month ago, Kiss was number two. A month ago. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Wow. No shift. [00:43:58] Speaker A: So my number. My number two will. I'll get into that when I. Now when I explain that, I was. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Gonna say real quick, you know what's hilarious? This makes me feel like WWF and music got together. When I hear, like, this had to be like insane. This is like almost like characters playing music, right? With the whole idea with the makeup and everything is just hilarious. [00:44:16] Speaker A: That's a great analog. It's very similar to that, right? It's. It's a lot. Because it's. It's a stage show. Like, it's. It's a. It's a. A lot of it is. Is the, you know, just the actrics and the pyrotechnics and. And that overshadows the music sometimes. But folks, don't fool yourself, man. Kiss has made some great songs and some great albums and, you know, put on. Put on Destroyer, Put on Rock and Roll Over, Put on Love Gun and tell me it's not the. You know what I mean? Like. Like play it, you know. Their first album, un self titled is. Is a great album. There's some real bangers on there. You know Deuce and, you know, Strutter and she. And there's a great songs on there and Detroit Rock City. For me, it's still one of my favorite songs of all time. That guitar solo, Ace. Rest in peace, man. It's a simple guitar solo. It's not like it's not Eddie Van Halen. It's not, you know, but it's, it, it's just, it soars and it puts you right in the zone that you need to be in for that song. [00:45:11] Speaker B: And is there any history as to how they came up with the name for this band? [00:45:14] Speaker A: 100%, yeah. According to the band, they were just around throwing names back and forth. And the drummer, Peter Chris was like, hey, how about Kiss? And they're all like, oh, all right. And I think Peter Chris was like, what? Really? It was kind of like the dead photographer Bomber, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Well, you make a joke and say, how about the dead photographer? And Luke and I look at each other like. And you're like, I shouldn't have said that. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:39] Speaker A: So reportedly, Peter Chris came up with the name the drummer. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say it's funny because it sounds like there could have been a way better story than that to come up with the name, you know, like the name Kiss. I don't know. [00:45:51] Speaker A: As far as I know, that's how it happened. Now, this is based off of videos that, you know, videotapes that I watched in like, you know, the 90s, right. You know, Kiss exposed, Kiss Extreme close up where they talk about the history of the band and stuff. So I've seen a lot of those, you know, I know, I know that a lot of parents in the 70s were convinced that K I S S stood for Knights in Satan's service. And there was a lot of, like, there was a lot of like parents who were like, you know, thought they were from the 50s and were like these, they're Satan worshipers. Our kids can't listen to this garbage. And little did they know the. It would get what, Much, much worse. [00:46:28] Speaker B: But that is digging deep. Wow. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Well, that's what I mean. Like, the impact this band had on popular culture, at least for a solid couple decades, is pretty crazy. And the fact that they don't get their due for at least being a big cog in that wheel, I think is a little douchey. I mean, they took them way too long to induct him into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. They weren't considered classic rock for a while, even though, like bands from the same era like Boston, you know, and Aerosmith were considered classic rock. It's like you like, no, like, it doesn't all have to be, you know, Eddie Van Halen's and, you know, these, these world class musicians to have good music and put on a Good show. You know what I mean? [00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, totally. Yeah. [00:47:14] Speaker A: I don't need to apologize for Kiss. They're doing real well on their own, so They're. They're fine. They're still. They're still rocking, by the way. These guys are, like, 80. The guys are, like. They're only a little younger than, you know, Jagger and. And, you know, Keith Richards and all those guys. I mean, they're insane. They're up there, man. [00:47:29] Speaker B: Insane. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Paul still brings it, man. Paul and Gene, like, they're still out there doing it. I love it. And again, just, you know, rest in peace. Ace Freely. Man, that was. That was. That was rough. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Now, these guys aren't still running around with the makeup on, are they? [00:47:40] Speaker A: Or. I think they are, actually. Yeah. I think they still do shows in makeup. Again, I haven't. I haven't listened to any albums since, like, Psycho Circus, but, like, you know, they. That was 25 albums down the road, so, you know, they. I've listened to plenty of Kiss in my life, and I think they're still doing shows and makeup, but don't quote me on that. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Wow. [00:47:58] Speaker A: All right, let's get down to it. Top two, baby. [00:48:01] Speaker B: Top two. So this one is. I mentioned them already many times. Benny Goodman. Now, there was the biggest impact for me, definitely was listening to this as a kid with my father. This is the one that put me the hook. The hook. The hook went in for me with jazz, and it has never left from listening to this, you know. And as far as. It's funny that you were saying top bands and everything, because it's like, same thing. He actually had a very long life, very long career, and. But it was his early. The 30s, specifically the 30s for me, with Benny Goodman. He had a band that just had, you know, Harry James, some of these names. [00:48:39] Speaker A: You. [00:48:39] Speaker B: You might have heard Charlie Christian again, Teddy Wilson, Lionel Hampton, Gene Krupa on the drums. Heard of him, but. But, you know, this band was just Bunny Berrigan. This band was just. When I heard this again, of all the CDs, as a young person, when I was a teenager listening to these, I couldn't stop. I wanted the next one, and I would listen to the next one. I wanted the next one. It was like. It was just. Man, it hit right home with me, I'll tell you that. And it's funny, when you said talking about Kiss, but about, you know, with the Knights and Satan's Service there, we're kind of talking about, you know, everything I've read. I think they kind of go into this, even in the jazz documentary, was that when jazz music was first coming into its own thing, coming kind of from ragtime, it, it was the same kind of thing. It was like that same. It's almost like your grandfather's, your parents telling you, oh, that music's dirty because a lot of it was played in like whorehouses back in the day. It was looked at. Jazz was looked at as a very dirty, bad music. [00:49:37] Speaker A: The prohibition speakeasies probably didn't help either. [00:49:39] Speaker B: Well, 100, right? [00:49:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:41] Speaker B: But one of the big jazz moments in history, as far as I know, they, they talk about this on the, on the documentary too, is that. [00:49:52] Speaker A: At. [00:49:52] Speaker B: One point Benny Goodman's band was the most popular band in America and he played a concert at Carnegie hall in 1938. And that. That kind of was the moment where from what they say, I mean, who knows. But that jazz officially kind of came in to be kind of a respectable. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Hit to hit the mainstream really hard. [00:50:11] Speaker B: Yes, it's definitely a footnote in history with jazz. And it's funny because one of the quotes you read when you read up on this event was that Harry James, who was a trumpet player, he said when, when they were playing there, his famous quote is, I. I feel like a whore in church almost. Kind of like we don't belong here kind of a thing, you know, but it, but again it's. And you know, it's one of these things where it's like same kind of thing. Like even if you don't know a lot of the names that of jazz or, or you don't. Kind of similar to me going back to some of these other things where it's like I know who, you know, Guns N Roses are. If our song came on, I don't know necessarily if I know it's them, but when I hear the song like, of course I've heard this, you know, it's the same thing. But to me, I don't know anybody that doesn't know old jazz or is peripherally on there hasn't heard Sing Sing Sing or you know, maybe even let's Dance or Bugle Call Rag or, you know, I'm trying to think of some of these other. You know, to me it's, it's a never ending. And again, same thing. There was a lot of standards that he played after you've gone Always Avalon. These are a lot of. I'm having. Not to describe it, I'm like Porky Pig here. But I, he, he just, it was just the sound of his band I don't know how to describe it. And his, you know, he has a lot of. Now he played clarinet in the band, so it was like, you know, a lot of it was solos that he did was that I knew he played. [00:51:39] Speaker A: Clarinet because I played. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. You told me that. [00:51:43] Speaker A: Yes, I played it in. Yeah. Melly. Middle school. Middle school. In my elementary school. Conductor, whatever he's called, the band teacher. He used to talk about Benny Goodman all the time. So, like. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:51:54] Speaker A: Okay. I used to get him confused with Henny Youngman when I was a kid, but. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Hilarious. [00:51:58] Speaker A: They just sound alike. But anyway. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:01] Speaker A: No, no. So I knew he played the clarinet. Did he play any other instruments besides clarinet? [00:52:05] Speaker B: Not that I am aware of. [00:52:09] Speaker A: But he was like the band leader, right? [00:52:12] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:13] Speaker A: Okay, so what exactly did they do? Like. Like, what does that mean? Does that mean, like, he conducts? Does that mean he just leads the music? Like, what does that mean exactly, like a band leader? [00:52:23] Speaker B: That is a great question. I. I don't. I don't really know specifically what that would mean during a performance, anytime I've seen, like, video of him or. Or any of these guys, really, to be honest with you. Some of them do do that. Like, they. They will. Like, when they're not playing, they will conduct here or there or they'll, you know. But I think a lot of it had to do with choosing the arrangements of the music, choosing the order of that. Where they're playing, you know, who's playing where, or, you know. But what's funny is I. I. One thing about Benny Goodman, just. Just to make a footnote, I tried to make this joke. Sometimes, even when I've done, you know, dabbled in stand up here, there, I would talk about being married. You know, Benny Goodman had this thing that. That they might mention this. I don't know if they mentioned this in the jazz documentary. It might have been another documentary I watched on him. But he had this thing called the Ray. And what it was, was if. If they were. If the band was rehearsing and someone played the wrong note, he would look at that person with basically a death stare. Like, you know. You know, he. Apparently, he was a very, very hard leader that way. Like, everything had to be kind of perfect in a lot of ways, you know, it's whiplash. [00:53:36] Speaker A: You ever see whiplash? [00:53:37] Speaker B: I have not seen that. I know. I gotta see it. You gotta watch. [00:53:40] Speaker A: My God. That's J.K. simmons's character you're talking about. And they play all the guarantee, you know, all the songs that they're playing in there. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Probably Whiplash being one of them. They. I, I actually don't know that song. Okay. I don't know. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Maybe it was made up. [00:53:55] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:53:55] Speaker A: I wouldn't know. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Maybe. But I would always say, like, you know, Allison, my wife, if I'm, if I'm emptying a dishwasher and I don't know where something goes, you know, I'll be like, hey, Al, the Tupperware. And I wouldn't even finish the sentence. She'll give me that. She'll give me the ray. She'll look at me and I'm like, I'll figure it out. You know, I don't want to, you know, that kind of thing. I'm like, you know, what are we doing here? [00:54:13] Speaker A: Are you sure you're not talking about Henny Youngman, stand up comedian. Take my wife, please. Like, you're confusing me even more now. [00:54:20] Speaker B: I asked her to take me someplace never been. She took me to the, took her to the kitchen. What was it? What was the line there? [00:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah, right, right, right, right. But, but they want to. All right, it's actually Jewish man, you know. [00:54:35] Speaker B: No, but that, that is something that is a. I, I. There's probably people again, more versed in music. Again, I'm not that way where it's like, you know, what specifically is the, you know, because to me it's like, how do you play in the band? Any other band leader. I don't understand how that is. But again, they're not, they're not like a Lee and Leonard Bernstein up there or John Williams. They're, they're like, you know, they're playing the instrument and they're. I think it's more about, in this decisions about what they're playing. Also, you know, what's funny too is jazz is. Which I, I didn't learn. So kind of listening to it and, and reading on it and then hearing it again and going, oh, yeah, it is kind of this way is that it's very. Whenever someone that really knows music will tell you. If you think about jazz, it's a lot about improvisation. And maybe that's why, you know, I like the idea of them jamming out is because especially if you go to see a live jazz band, there's the, if you take a song that, I don't know, I'm trying to get Song you would know like, you know, any jazz standard. I know, like St. Louis Blues, for example, if you know the song everybody has a version of. But, but the idea Is that you're gonna play basically the initial idea of it, but then you're gonna let the musicians go on their own and they're gonna, they're gonna, Everybody plays their. So I don't know if there's some coordination with that to the band leader of kind of reigning everybody back in to get to the end. And we're gonna finish the song now. Right, but, but it's a great question. I, I wish I was smarter, but I'm dumb. So we're gonna move on here. What can we do? Benny Goodman. If you like old time jazz, you got to know that name and you got to listen to some man, I'm telling you. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Awesome. Good one. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Now, before we go on to your number two. Yeah, I know you've been talking about this for a while now. It moves from three to two. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Is there, is there an opportunity at some point down the line this could get to one? How insane are we going to get about this band here? [00:56:15] Speaker A: I mean, my number one is pretty fucking rock solid, but I'm not ruling it out. Not ruling it out. I've been so. I can't explain this. Let me not bury the lead. My number two is 311, all right? They were number three, and I've heard of them by the few months ago. If you hadn't, you would have heard him because of me. So, yeah, so listen, I, I, I've been into 311 since, you know, 95, when, when the Blue album came out. You know, you'd know the song down if you heard it. Like, you know that, that's when they, they hit the mainstream.311, and by mainstream, they really didn't, they didn't break through completely, but it's actually one of the things I love about the band. So, you know, I'm listening to this album. I played it non stop at Burger King. They hated me. Like, all I listened to was this song. And then I went back. This was their third album. So after I got into them, I went back listening to the first two albums, Music and Grassroots. Awesome. Transistor came out. I won that CD on the radio on Rat Rock. I went, you know, went and picked that up. Sound System came out from Chaos came out, and then Don't Tread on Me came out and like, that's when for a while I kind of stopped. So that was in 2005. So listening for 10 solid years is really into them. So 311 is a band that's another band that's kind of hard to pin down to A genre, right. They're kind of reggae, rap, and rock sort of mixed together. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it is the interesting sound. They weren't the first ones to do this, but I would argue that they're the most popular ones to do this. I'm gonna get this wrong, but somebody, Somebody calls them the Beatles of rap rock or something. You know what I mean? So, like, they're, they're the kings of rap rock. [00:57:54] Speaker B: That sounds like it's such an insane sentence. So, first of all, you know, the rap rock I've never even heard of, so that's hilarious. And now there's a king of that, so who knows? [00:58:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. Exactly right. Oh, my God. I, I, I, I can't, I can't not mention this. If John Adams, if you're listening, it reminds me of the freaking Jake Johansson when he's talking about these he man characters. And it was the one of them was the evil, evil master of power, suction. He had these little suction cups on him, and it's like the comedian was like, wow. I didn't even know that evil suction was a thing, and I didn't know suction. This really. This guy's the evil master. It's. Great job doing that, you know, all the way to the top, buddy. You know? Yeah, I've heard, I've listened to that in, like, 20 years, but that's hilarious. But, no, so then, so then I saw them. I saw them three times. I saw them back in the day. We saw them in, like, when Evolver came out right after Don't Tread on Me. This is, I want to say 2000. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. Evolver came out first. My mistake. So this is 2003. Evolver comes out. I knew a couple songs, but I saw him for the first time. I said, that's pretty cool. You know, this band rocks. Blah, blah, blah. And then I listened to the album, came out after that in 2005, and then I really didn't touch it. They have 14 albums total, by the way, so I, I hadn't listened to, like, eight of them. So I saw them a couple years ago. Angel gets free tickets at Ocean Casino. So they play there. They kick off their summer tour every year. At least they have in the last few years at Ocean Casino. Saw them tons of fun. Great, you know, band. I didn't know every song, but, like, they play the great. Then I saw him last year. Martin, the one that me and Martin went to, that was the band. [00:59:29] Speaker B: And yes. [00:59:30] Speaker A: And we had a Blast. And they just. Something about that show rekindled the love of this band for me. So I have spent I doordash, so I spent a lot of time in the car. I've. Since June I've been listening to them exclusively non stop. I've been devouring all the albums that I've missed over the course of, you know, the last 20 years. And, and they're just phenomenal, dude. Like, and they're growing. Like they're not like very little rap rock anymore. It's, you know, they're just kind of playing songs, we're kind of playing tunes. Like you would know. You'd probably know Amber before any other song, you know. And that's, you know, it's the most mellow, chill, sort of island vibe song that you could hear, you know. But this band will always be for me and just for me because I know, you know, they're old now and blah, but like they will always be the epitome of cool to me. Like, you know, when I watch the, you know, come together, I'm come together. The Beatles, when I watch come original or the. Some of these videos from like the late 90s and again it's the late 90s, so I get it, you know, but they all, for some reason, they hit me as like the coolest thing I'd heard. And like, they're. They never left that like, they're. I think they're just so cool, such a positive band. Just good vibes. They're good to their fans. They're not so popular where like, you know, they're playing like Madison Square Garden, but they're nowhere near, you know, playing clubs. Like they always play these, these middle venues. They're. They pretty much resigned the fact that they're going to be that type of band for the rest of their lives. They're a live band. They just like playing live shows. They tour every year. And like I said, I've just been diving deep in all these albums that I never listened to. And some of them are great, some of them are not so good. But honestly, I. I wouldn't call any of them trash. I really wouldn't. Like 14 albums and I think they're all good. And that's just me because I love 311, but some of them are bangers, dude. Like, I. I'd never heard Stereolithic came out in 29, 2014. It's an amazing album. Like, I think it's really good. It reminds me of, you know, the mid-90s, 311, but I've been annoying everybody I know with this band for the last, like, four months. My brother who got me into 311 is like, yeah, I get it, man. They're a good band. Like, it's just like, he's so sick of me talking about it, you know, I'm sending him. Every time I devour a new album, I'm ranking them and sending them to him again, you know, of course I'm ranking all the albums. You know, I have to one through 14, of course. You know, but yeah, they passed Kiss, dude. Like, what can I tell you? Like, they just. They kick ass. Troy and I have been banging out. Every time I go to Boston, I bring an LP, I bring a record of 311, and we play that one, you know, we. And it's just. It's just right now, they're all I'm thinking about, music wise. Love the man. [01:02:07] Speaker B: 311, you know, it sounds like you want to give 311 a kiss, and I'm a little bit disturbed. I'm like, I'm not gonna lie to you. Like, what are we doing here? [01:02:15] Speaker A: Come on. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, come on. What are we doing here? Well, I'll tell you what, you know. [01:02:19] Speaker A: I want it real quick. The kiss thing. Nice. And Satan service. There are some people who said 311 was KKK because 11 is. K is the 11th letter in the Alphabet. So there are a few people who have been like, oh, you know, maybe they're racist or something. But my God, it couldn't be. Couldn't be more of a. More of an opposite of that. But it's funny. Two bands in a row have kind of. You could find a negative sort of connotation in the title. [01:02:47] Speaker B: I. I was gonna say same thing like you said to me. I want to go with you guys next time you 3:11. Let me check this thing out in person. What are we doing? [01:02:54] Speaker A: I'm dragging anybody I can to that concert in. In June. So, yeah, you're going. I'll buy your ticket. [01:02:59] Speaker B: Where we're going. [01:03:00] Speaker A: Boom. I know Drew's going. I'll bring Martin again. We'll have a blast. It'll be fun. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah. As long as I have ear muffs, I'll be good. But I. No, no, no. I want to check it out. I'm curious. [01:03:10] Speaker A: They're fun. They're a fun band. You know, they just chill. They play their music, they love their fans. Boom. Like, what more could you ask for? Love. 311. My God, I can't stop. So you. Before I Move on though. Like, I didn't even, I'm so excited to talk about this band. I didn't even talk about like, musically, like, the genre is unique in, in and of itself, but these guys can play, man. Like, not only are you talking about a, like a really a world class bassist in Peanut and a world class drummer and Chad Sexton, but like I mentioned the, the, the two leads, right? So that's one of the great aspects of 311. So you know Nick Hexum and S.A. martinez, like, they both go back and forth with lyrics and it's, it's, it's, it's a great, it's a great back and forth. It's a little more than the Jerry Cantrell, Lane Staley thing I was talking about before. Because really, like Jerry Cantrell kind of sets up Lane Staley for these big vocal sort of reveals, whereas 311, it's like a back and forth if they're not both rapping at each other. Nick Hexum's just doing the melodic sort of chorus and then, you know, Martinez is, you know, coming in with his rapping or like I said later, later on, like, you know, their, their music's changing. It's definitely more melodic and it's more lyrical now. And, and I can't forget Tim Mahoney either is just an amazing guitarist. So I just wanted to mention musically as well. It's, they kick ass. Like, it's an all around, It's a great package. I, I, part of me shocked they're not more popular than they are, honestly. But yeah, no, no, that was it. That was it. Enough said. I can't. I gotta stop talking about him. [01:04:40] Speaker B: Well, you know what? I love it because it's the, the passion is what we live for here. What are we doing, you know? [01:04:46] Speaker A: Totally. Totally. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Now I know we're gonna go into number ones here. Now. I, I know you mentioned talk. We, we talked about honorable mentions. Do you want to throw a few out there before we get to the number one spot? Sure. [01:04:57] Speaker A: You don't have any honorable mentions. [01:04:58] Speaker B: I mean, you know what's funny when you say that to me, it's like, like there's so many early jazz guys that I love. Like, you know, again, Harry James is one. His band, Cab Calloway. And it's funny when you say band leader. Cab Calloway to me is a great band leader image in my mind. Like he, and he lived a long life. He was in Blues Brothers, if I don't know, you know. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Oh, I Remember? Yeah. [01:05:19] Speaker B: What a long. You know, he was in. He sang with Al Jolson. You know, he sang at the Cotton Club in Harlem. Like, what a. What a long career. But, you know, it's funny that I want to think about some of these other things. Like, you know, outside of jazz, like, when I think of bands, like I said, you and Steve and Joey got me into the Beatles. I like the Beatles, but it just. I. I don't know so much. There's so much about them I don't know, but their music is great. I. I do like listening to them. I'll listen to them frequently on my own, you know. But it's funny, a lot of these other bands I don't really seek out. I like different songs. I like AC DC Believe it or not. I like some of their songs, but I don't know anything about their whole catalog. I mean, you know. But as far as, like, honorable Mentioned, like favorite bands. Yeah. I mean, you know, I would say, if I had to pick two, I'd say Cab Calloway and Harry James. Yeah. I mean, you know. [01:06:07] Speaker A: Nice. Hey, you know what I was thinking about when you were talking about. Because you mentioned the Beatles a couple times now when you were talking about Benny. Was it Benny Goodman at Carnegie hall in 1938. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:06:15] Speaker A: The big, big watershed moment for jazz and music and stuff. [01:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. [01:06:19] Speaker A: I was, in my head, I was liking it. To Ed Sullivan. The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. You know what I mean? How that really changed, you know, rock. Or Elvis, you know, for that matter. Elvis on. I guess it was Ed Sullivan too, right? Or whatever he was on. [01:06:31] Speaker B: I think he. I know he definitely was on there. I'm not. I'm not as. I like Elvis, too, but I'm not as well versed in his whole career, I'm sure, you know, But I think he was on that. Sullivan. [01:06:38] Speaker A: There's been very few moments like that, which is really. We're like, you know, something happened. It's like, wow, music's changed completely. So that's interesting that you brought that up. I thought that was cool. [01:06:46] Speaker B: And it's. What it's funny too, is I didn't want to go down this road either. But they kind of talk about this a lot in the. The. In the documentary there, too. But it's like, you know, a lot of it, especially back in the day there with jazz. A lot of it, too, is. There's a lot of race talk in. When it comes to jazz, because a lot of it comes from, you know, I was born in New Orleans. There's a lot of. It's a lot of heavy black influence, you know, coming from Rag Time and I think from everything I've read or things I've heard in some of these documentaries that, you know, Benny Goodman's band was one of the first ones that was at least popularly integrated. Or he was. He. He kind of, like, led that charge in a way, or was very. He stuck up for the black players. And because it was this whole thing. So to say it's like legitimized. I don't even know if that kind of legitimized it in, like, the white world. I don't want to get into, like, this whole. I know if I'm talking like an idiot here, but it's like, you know, again, I didn't. I wasn't alive back then. I don't know. But I'm just going off of. I just know that it was a big moment in jazz, and I think that there was probably a lot of elements to it. Not that it wasn't well liked. It was definitely taking over music at the time. Even before that it was like early 30s or late 20s where it was really. But it kind of grew and it kind of. But, But I. I bring that up just because, from what I remember reading, it's funny that you said that with the Beatles, with Ed Sullivan, because this, this seemed to be a very big moment for, For, For. For. For that music, I guess. I don't know. [01:08:09] Speaker A: You know, can you think of Cad Calloway without that Family Guy where he's got the horrible breath and he's got Meg stuck in the taxi and it comes on. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Well, it's funny you're saying, because I used to think about. I know we're talking about Mike and the Mad Dog a lot on here, but we always talk about Chris Berman and Tom Jackson, NFL Prime Time. I don't know if me and my brother were obsessed with that as kids, because back in the day, you couldn't see all the football games. All. We saw the Giants, jets, where we live. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Right. [01:08:37] Speaker B: I'm a Cowboys fan. He's a Bengals fan. I saw a lot more Cowboys than he did Bengals. But NFL Prime Time at the. At night, 7 o', clock, ESPN, they showed you all the highlights from all the games. And Chris Berman always had all the names. [01:08:49] Speaker A: Oh, of course. Yeah. [01:08:50] Speaker B: And there was a wide receiver for the Giants named Chris Calloway. [01:08:54] Speaker A: Oh, boy. [01:08:55] Speaker B: So he. So every time he caught a touchdown or something, you know, Berman would be like. And he'd Always feed Tom, you know, and so he'd be like, you know, and it's Chris Cab Calloway. Heidi, Heidi, Heidi. Hi. And then Heidi, you know, he was finisher Tom Jackson. It's like insane. He always had these names. It was fun. It was the best, you know. [01:09:13] Speaker A: Bert be Home. Bly Levin was always the best one, in my opinion. [01:09:16] Speaker B: I always thought Eric Sleeping with the Enemy was the best one, but. [01:09:21] Speaker A: That's right. What a douchebag. Holy. Yeah. [01:09:27] Speaker B: How about you honorable mentions? What do you got? [01:09:29] Speaker A: Let's do it. Yeah, I got three of them. So, you know, real quick. So one of my honorable mentions is Rush, big Rush guy. Which is interesting because they just got a new drummer. So Neil Pert, the drummer, one of the best rock drummers of all time, if not the best, just died. Not just that, he died, you know, a few years ago. And, you know, I thought that was it for Rush, but apparently they're going on tour with a new drummer, a female drummer, for that matter. So that's really interesting. I like that. I want to check that out. But Russia I always liked. I got into Rush when I was working at McDonald's in like the early 90s and these dudes who are a little older than me were playing some of their CDs. I listened to Rush Chronicles, which was their greatest hits, you know, at that time. And Rush is pretty kick ass. Yeah, it's great band, amazing musicians. Only three of them. It's a trio and, you know, just a great band there. The Black Crows is another band I love. Matter of fact, the Black Crows is my next deep dive back in after 311. That's if 311 ever ends. It may not. I may just listen the rest of my life, but. But Black Crows I'm gonna. I'm dive back into after this because I love the first five albums and I know they've had a few after that and I definitely want to check them out, so I'm gonna do that. And then I gotta mention Tool. Tool is just amazing. [01:10:43] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:10:44] Speaker A: That might be the last, the newest, quote, unquote band I've gotten into. I forgot about that when I was talking about Disturbed. So Troy made me a starter. A tool starter kit to see a mix CD that'll age it right there. [01:10:58] Speaker B: Wow. [01:10:59] Speaker A: He burned a mixtape for me on cd. [01:11:01] Speaker B: A mix starter kit. Hilarious. [01:11:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what we used to call it. We'd say, yeah, give me a. Give me a Led Zeppelin starter kit. Because I want to give me a Dave Matthews starter Kit, I want to get into him. So, you know, you, he. And of course Troy does nothing without a lot of thought, you know, so it was such a thoughtful way he put the songs together. Right now he's laughing because, well, I, I won't embarrass him, but he knows why he's laughing about it right now. [01:11:28] Speaker B: Well, I'm laughing at your dad. When you tell your dad, hey, Troy may be a tool starter kid, you're like, oh, you're finally going to be handy. Here's a hammer and a screwdriver, you know, like, no, dad, it's not that, you know. [01:11:39] Speaker A: Yeah. The look of hope in his eyes for a split second until he realized it was just more exactly tools. Amazing. You know, I, I don't know them as well as I'd like to to. But you know, the albums I have and the songs I've heard, they're amazing. That's another band. Like, I guess there's a little, little bit of pattern there between like Alison Change311. Just sort of bands that sound very unique. Like, you know, they don't sound like a lot of other bands that are out there. So I'm a big fan of that. [01:12:05] Speaker B: Wow. [01:12:05] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's all I got for honorable mentions. Number one, kid. [01:12:09] Speaker B: Well, I'm sorry real quick. I gotta say, you know, my buddy Joey and his brother, they grew up, they were big into obviously just for fun, not because they were great films, but they loved the Steven Seagal film back in the day. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:22] Speaker B: I like. And I didn't grow up with them, but I started to watch some later on. Of course they're just corny and they're fun to make fun of and watch. But they were, they always had, they always laughed about how a lot of his films had three word titles, you know, like Hard to Kill and it's weird. [01:12:34] Speaker A: That was a, that was a Kevin Pollock stand up routine, actually. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Oh, maybe that's. I don't know now. I don't know. [01:12:39] Speaker A: If they. [01:12:40] Speaker B: Don't get me wrong, Joey's funny enough where he probably thought of this on his own and never heard that. Maybe they did hear it too. You know what I'm saying? Who knows? But that's hilarious because you made me think of this with the bands, I'm like, you know, you're like the one word band guy. Rush, Tool, Kiss. Like, well, you know, you know, I didn't even notice it. [01:12:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you're. I mean, Hard to Kill, Fire Down Below, Marked for Death above the Law. Like you're Right. They're all like three word titles. [01:13:05] Speaker B: I told him Under Siege two. Like, what are we doing here? [01:13:08] Speaker A: Hey, that was. Those are good. Those movies. We. Under Siege 2 wasn't him. [01:13:12] Speaker B: Oh, it wasn't. I never saw Under Siege, so, I don't know. Was fun. [01:13:16] Speaker A: Under Siege was one of those great, like, Die Hard ripples. It was like Die Hard but on a boat. You know what I mean? So. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Right. [01:13:22] Speaker A: No, Morris Chestnut was in Die Hard was in Under Siege two. Dark territory. That was. That was Morris Chestnut. [01:13:31] Speaker B: Wow. Was it. Was he like a cigal rip off kind of thing, or. [01:13:34] Speaker A: No, he was the opposite. It was like a suave black dude who just. Oh, really? Yeah. It was on a train, too. It wasn't a boat. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Interesting. On the train. [01:13:44] Speaker A: But the first one was good. I mean, Erica Aleniak, the Playboy model who was in Under Siege, completely naked. [01:13:50] Speaker B: I mean, I never saw it. Under Siege anything. So, you know. [01:13:52] Speaker A: No, I know you said that. It's worth checking out. Tommy Lee Jones was the bad guy. It's worth checking out. [01:13:57] Speaker B: Oh, that. I knew. I didn't know he was in that. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a fun movie. [01:14:02] Speaker B: All right, should we get to number one here? [01:14:04] Speaker A: Let's do it. Let's bring it home. Go. [01:14:06] Speaker B: Okay. So I was gonna say it's one of these things where obviously, you know, some people that know me on here or listen to me on here, like, they know my parents are. Have passed away now. But it's one of these things where I wish I could have talked. I never had a conversation with my father about this guy, and his name is Sidney Bechet now. I was telling you about these Al Hirschfield CDs I had as a kid. 1. They never had a Sydney Bechet 1. I never had a Sydney Bershay. 1. I found one later on, but it wasn't seen to be part of this collection, you know, And I. I did have one, though, that was part of the collection called Dixieland Greatest Hits. Had a few guys on there. One of them was this guy, Mugsy Spaniard. Talk about a great jazz name. Mugsy. [01:14:45] Speaker A: Love it. No kidding. Yeah. [01:14:47] Speaker B: And they had original jazz. There was a band called the Original Dixieland Jazz Band, I believe was the name of their band. They were. They. They recorded the first jazz song ever recorded. Kind of a thing that when recordings were first coming out, coming. And they had some Cindy Bechet on there. And I remember liking specifically the Sydney Bechet and Mugsy Spaniard songs, but I didn't. I wasn't. It didn't hit me enough to want to investigate these names further. But not until I was in the. In that jazz class I was telling you about. I had watched the documentary for the first time, the jazz documentary. And I heard this music come on. And I was sitting there in a class, and I was like, wow, this is phenomenal in my mind, you know? And then he started talking about this guy, Sidney Bechet. And I wish I had at this moment. It still hadn't. It didn't. It's almost like you with the 311 thing, it didn't hit me the way it did while my dad was alive. Wasn't. He passed away where I. You know, I really started to delve into this, and it's the kind of the same thing with you now. It's like. It's so funny. My buddy Joey, I always. I always thought this was the most interest, one of the most interesting things. His mother says. God, if she's listening, she ever listens to this, I'm gonna screw up the album. I want to say it's Abbey Road, or I think it's Abbey Road. She said. She said to me one day, we're talking about music randomly. And she said, every day I leave in the morning and drive to work. I listen to the album, the whole album, every day. And I was like, that's insane to me. You know, like, you were talking about 3 11. I don't know if I can't remember the last time I went a day without listening to Sydney Bechet play. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Is that right? [01:16:24] Speaker B: And I think it's something to do with. It's just that there's a passion there. And that. To me, that's the word. It's almost like when I first started hearing singing, like, you know, I. I like. To me, I didn't. Again, I didn't grow up listening to music. My dad showed me the Jolson story, the movie, and I liked Al Jolson. I started. The reason why I really started to like him is because to me, there was a passion in. When he sang. It was almost like, I'm gonna sing this song, and it's. If it's the last song I ever sing and you're gonna hear it kind of a thing, you know? And that's what it is with this guy when he plays. It's. It's like. It's almost like everybody. [01:16:53] Speaker A: It's. [01:16:54] Speaker B: It's like watching a Michael Jordan playing against kindergarten kids. Almost kind of a thing when you say, like. Like, to me. To me, it affects me where it's like he's playing it and everyone else is like, they're so far below him. It's like, it's like another level of. To me, it's the greatest sound musically. I, I'll ever. I'll. I could ever hear. To me it's. It's heaven on earth music to me. And it's funny is I know Woody Allen is a big fan of this guy. And there's a movie called Midnight in Paris. I don't know. Do you ever see Midnight in Paris? [01:17:23] Speaker A: No, but I've heard of it. [01:17:27] Speaker B: I was in the movie theater. I was actually dating Katie at the time. And I was just really starting to get into Sidney Bechet and I had never heard this song before. And the movie starts out and the first like two minutes are. He shows different scenes of Paris, just clips of Paris. And it's just silent. And it's this, this song playing. It's called. It's a French song. I don't know the name. It translates to have you seen my mother? I believe I had asked my sister about that, but. And I stood up in the, in the movie theater by myself. Holy. That's Sidney Bechett. Like. Like I was a child. I was in my early 30s. And I was like, I knew the sound instantly. And I was like, how have I never heard this song? And it's now probably my favorite song ever. I. I played it at our wedding. We danced. I danced with Allison's mom and my sister in law and my. And my niece to that song. [01:18:15] Speaker A: Awesome. It. [01:18:16] Speaker B: It is just. There's such a. I. I wish I could have asked my dad, what do you think about this guy? It's almost like I have my own guy. Like, I like. You know, my dad gave me jazz and I, I found this guy. I don't know how to describe it, you know. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:29] Speaker B: And he played in a lot of bands, but he wasn't very popular here. For some reason. He was. He wound up playing overseas in Paris. And he lived the last years of his life in Paris. That's probably why he's got a big following over there. Maybe that's why Woody Allen included him in the movie. But he played clarinet and soprano saxophone. But really it's the soprano saxophone that just when you some. Some songs, you hear it. It's so jarring and loud. It's almost like, oh, I don't know, some people might be turned off by it. But I'm telling you right now, man, it is, it is the. It's just such to Me, it's. The only thing I can think of is the passion behind it. It's like. There's nothing like it to me, you know? [01:19:04] Speaker A: It's amazing. [01:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I know. [01:19:06] Speaker A: I. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Listen, I want you to. I'm like, you. I'm obsessed. I have, like, a T shirt. I got a sweater. I got a coffee mug. I can't. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I am. This guy is just the best to me, you know? And again, what's funny is, as Phil knows, I have a picture of him hanging in my kitchen. And some of the people that are sitting there, my wife is like, they look bored listening to him. I'm like, shut up, Allison. You know, I mean, you know, I can't imagine that, you know, that's wild. [01:19:31] Speaker A: I love that, like, your list. I've heard of Benny Goodman, obviously, and Louis Armstrong, but, like. Like, I love that your list is so different than what people might expect, you know, I mean, like, there's such a. Like, you're such a unique dude when it comes to music that it's. It's fascinating. It's fascinating. You know, you're into all this stuff. [01:19:48] Speaker B: It's one of those things where it's like, I. It aggravates me that his name isn't more known. And I feel like it pisses me off that. And again, I didn't know it. So I. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else. I just. I happen to like the music. And they mentioned him in the jazz documentary. Jazz fans know who he is. But I feel like, you know, like you said, like, everybody knows Count Basie, everybody knows Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, but, like, he somehow. He's fallen through the cracks, this guy. But whenever you hear some of these people talk about him, like, Duke Ellington said, this guy, that. That's jazz right there. This guy is jazz kind of a thing. [01:20:17] Speaker A: And he. [01:20:18] Speaker B: He came up the same time as Louis Armstrong, and there are some recordings of them playing together. And there was some jealousy there. I know that Cindy Bechet was very mad that Louis Armstrong was getting popular, and he wasn't, because he wasn't a singer, this guy. He wasn't. That's not what he did. And Louis. Louis Armstrong was eventually, you know, became. You know, he was known for that, like, you know, singing and scout singing and doing all that, but. But also playing the trumpet phenomenally. But it's like, you know, I don't know how to describe it. There was something to him that. I don't know what the reasoning wasn't. He died 1959. So that's a long time ago, you know, And I, I, I remember reading one of the books about him when he, when Bebop was coming into a thing. He was not a fan of that. He did like the old, the New Orleans way of playing kind of a thing, is what I would say. And I just love it. I, you know, it's one of these things where, like you said with 311, Allison I know is God bless her, because she is probably tired of hearing, hearing him play. So, you know, and real quick, just to get a quick introduction, I'll throw this out there real quick. On the jazz documentary, they go into depth on Louis Armstrong song West End Blues. And it opens with him playing a phenomenal trumpet solo. And actually Alison got me tickets to see Vince Giordano. He kind of played with just a small, not a whole big band. It was just a small jazz set, but all in honor of Louis Armstrong. And they had this guy come out and he played a trumpet and he did a great job, kind of especially with this song. It's like, it's just him, and then the band kind of comes in and it's great. But I'll probably get an arguments without this with jsp. But there's a song called if you want to, if anybody's interested in hearing him play, there's a song called Nobody knows you when you're down and out. And if you, if you Google that song or listen to that song, the opening part of it is just Cindy Bechet playing. And to me, that's just as good as Louis thing or better. I can't stop listening to that. Just that piece of music alone. The first, like, 30 seconds is worth it. So, yeah, I'm like, you were talking about 311, and we haven't even told me number one. We could just go on and on. I can't get enough. So I bored you enough. Let's get to number one. Phil, what do you got? [01:22:29] Speaker A: That's a good one. [01:22:30] Speaker B: All right. [01:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So, hey, my number one, Hard to hard to beat these guys. It's Led Zeppelin, man. I got into Led Zeppelin pretty much when I was getting into all music the early 90s, and, you know, my friends were already pretty, pretty into it. My buddy John was really into Led Zeppelin. He had the, he had the box set, you know, that I borrowed from him. And, you know, he insists I borrowed it to listen to Stairway to Heaven, but I didn't. I borrowed it to listen to Cashmere, but that's a whole Nother thing. But yeah. No. So look, this band. When I got into classic rock, I was already into Kiss, I was already kind of into Aerosmith, I was already kind of into like AC DC and some of these other bands. But like, when I deep dove into Rush and the Stones and the Beatles and Pink Floyd and, you know, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, it's a lot of phenomenal music coming out of the 70s, you know. But this band, man. Right, Yeah. I mean, you know, from the 60s and 70s, that's, you know, probably the height of music as far as I'm concerned. But man, Led Zeppelin is. They're just a cut above, man. Like they, they, they can play so many different genres of music. Like, you know, on any one of their albums, you might get a gospel song, you might get a reggae song, you might get a hard rock song, you might get a classic rock and roll song song, you might get, you know, me. Like there's a million different, different genres. They can, they can play it all. The band, I mean, the, the, the talent is, is incredible. Like, you know, if, you know Jimmy Page, one of the best, you know, rock guitarists of all time. [01:24:03] Speaker B: I've always heard that name. Yeah. [01:24:05] Speaker A: Robert Plant could sing his ass off. Like, he was amazing and what a front man, right? Like, he, he was phenomenal. But John Bonham on the drums, man, forget about it. Like, he was, he was. You know, he may not as. May not have been as technically proficient as a lot of these other drummers, you know, Neil Pert or jazz guys or whatever. But like, man, he's the only drummer I've ever listened to. And I've always loved the drums. I've always gravitated towards the percussion. I know that. Drums. You know that? [01:24:32] Speaker B: I was going to tell you too, that. No, real quick. I was just saying the drums. And you mentioned. I would say. I forgot to mention before that when I went. Me and Alice went to Washington D.C. went to the Smithsonian. They had Gene Krupa's band drum set in the, in the Smithsonian. How cool is that? I was like, that's really. My buddy Bobby was a drummer, as you were. So I know that you guys. And it's funny. Like, by the way, real quick, not to cut your Led Zeppelin story is, but I had to laugh my balls off when you told me about your daughter and angel with the thing in the car. [01:25:00] Speaker A: Thing in the car. Help me out. [01:25:01] Speaker B: Oh, the symbol. [01:25:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That's insane. They got me a little, little gag gift for my birthday and it was, it was a Symbol. A little, Little tiny plastic symbol you put on your air vent in the car and you see, just. And I'm playing it like a dude. [01:25:14] Speaker B: It's just hilarious. [01:25:16] Speaker A: It's so fun because it's. I've. I've been drumming on my dashboard for as long as I've. Yeah, you've known me. Now, let me clarify something. I was not a drummer. Keep that in mind. I. I used to drum. Okay. [01:25:28] Speaker B: No, I hear you. I hear what you're saying. [01:25:29] Speaker A: Okay. Just so you know, like, I used to. I used to love doing it. I did it for a while, but I never practiced. I never got better, but I used to love it. I had a drum set for a lot of my life, and I just, like. I'd put headphones on, listen to music and just jam and it was just fun. Never anything complicated. I was never. I could. Couldn't do roles. Our good friend Luke Boyle, who publishes, who produces these pods for us, He's. He's a great drummer. He was a drummer in an actual band and all that jazz, so. He's all that jazz. He's really. He's really good. But no, I. I do like drumming, and when I listen to John Bonham Drum, he's the only drummer I've ever really listened to where I like. He can. He can bring emotion out of his drumming. You know what I mean? Like, it's not just the backbone of the music. It's not just driving the rhythm. It's. Or complimenting it, for that matter. It's. There's. When he hits that bass drum a certain way, it's like you feel it. Like you feel the emotion in his drumming. It's very weird. It's hard to. Hard to describe if you're not really, you know, down with it. But anyway, he's amazing. And of course, John Paul Jones, you know, basis. I'm not gonna diss him, but this band's incredible. They only had, I want to say, what, 10, 11 albums, I guess. [01:26:39] Speaker B: Question. [01:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I mean, they had Zeppelin. Well, the first four were called 1, 2, 3, and 4. Easy enough for being the one of those classic albums. It's right up there with, you know, Abbey Road or Dark side of the Moon or Zeppelin. Four's got Stairway to Heaven on and it's got all, you know. Okay, so that. That's like. That's the quintessential. It's not their best album. Physical Graffiti, in my opinion, is by far their best album. [01:27:03] Speaker B: But, wow. [01:27:05] Speaker A: I mean, any album that's got cashmere and in my Time of Dying on it amidst a million other songs. Please, like, how do you get better than that? But again, another one of those bands where like every song on every album I just love. Like I can't. Yes. Even Coda Zeppelin fans I, I love, I love listening to Coda and in through the outdoor and you know, presence. Some of the later albums aren't as popular as the earlier ones, but they're all amazing and they can jam if they want to or they can play just a quick 2 minute awesome song or like, you know, and you know, their stage presence was great, you know, and they toured this historic tour of America, you know, in the 70s. And you saw them not Zeppelin, but I saw Paige Plant. So when Robert. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page got together in the mid-90s and they released an album and they went out and they played some Zeppelin songs. And so, yeah, that's the closest I could get. John Bonham died when I was six years old, so I never got a chance. And they never. The band. That's it. They were done. Like they never. They're not going to replace him. So that was just done. Zeppelin ended that day that he died. Wow. But all of us, all of us had a chance to go see Paige plan. It was awesome. Great show. Some at the Meadowlands Rusted Root open for them. You know. Semi on my way. You know the, the. The Matilda song as some younger people might know of it. As I hadn't seen Matilda, I just, I liked that song. And then they were pretty good live. But yeah, great show. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Emma loves Matilda too. And actually Juice, we staying out with Juice. She's, she's. She was always younger than us, Aaron. You know, she. She used to always call it the Matilda song. I didn't know what she meant until I watched it, but that was funny. But now, dude, Zeppelin, like, they're just amazing, dude. Like you know, 1968 to 1980, whatever their albums were. And when I get in my formative years of getting into music, like I said, my devoured all these bands and I was. My friends used to make fun of me because I'd hear one song I liked and I'd buy 10 albums. You know what I mean? Like, I was, I was a psychopath and most of them, I didn't listen to them. But no, I mean, this was the band I fell for the most. It's the one that I. You know, their lyrics were just phenomenal. Like I'm a big lyrics guy too. And their lyrics, like they Were so ancient and mystical and spiritual, you know, And I mean. I mean, they. They wrote songs about Lord of the Rings, you know, if you could believe it. Like, a lot of their lyrics have to do with Lord of the Rings. And, you know, when the Internet first came, you know, we first got Internet in the late 90s. I did a lot of deep dives with that, you know, with Tolkien and their influence on Zeppelin and stuff. And classic story of how they got their name. Keith Moon, the drummer for the who, another great classic rock band. When he heard, again, this. Who knows if this is true or not, and I'm paraphrasing, but when you heard that Jimmy Page and Robert Plant were going to put a band together, he said it would go over like a Led Zeppelin. So that's. That's where they got the name from. He didn't think. He didn't think it would. It would go anywhere, you know. [01:30:06] Speaker B: Hilarious. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah, so that was good. So, yeah. No, so, I mean, it's. And, and, and in those mid-90s, Zeppelin pretty much became solidified as, like, like, like. I knew they passed Kiss almost right away because Kiss was number two back then. And I knew. And again, I'm always ranking. We're always ranking in our kids. And I was like, all right, these. They're gonna be my favorite band for all time. Like, if I was gonna get a tattoo back in the day, it was either gonna be the Simpsons or Led Zeppelin, you know? [01:30:33] Speaker B: Wow. [01:30:34] Speaker A: Now, I mean, you know, I'm. I'm making love to 311 so much these days. I. I don't know. I'm not. I can't tell you that. Maybe they won't pass Led Zeppelin at some point, but. But they'll never pass them musically, I'll tell you that. Like, I mean, Zeppelin can just do anything with music, and it sounds phenomenal. It's just, It's. It's an amazing. I can't believe they're not up there. I mean, they pretty much are, but, you know, they should be like the Beatles. Like, they should be like, they praised as high as the Beatles, and they're pretty praised, don't get me wrong. Zeppelin's a pretty great band, but, you know, I just. You know, I fell so hard for him. It's almost like. Almost like they're my first love, you know, I mean, like. I mean, Kiss was chronologically, but like, the way I fell for them is like, you know, when you really fall for a girl the first time and you're just like, oh, you could. You can't stop thinking about them, you know? Yeah, that's kind of. It's kind of like that again. It was during my formative years, early 20s. And so, you know, you dive hard and stuff like that. Everything was brand new back then, of course. [01:31:34] Speaker B: And I feel like there's. There's part of you that has, you know, in your heart that this. For this. This person or this group is always going to be there. But then sometimes life goes on and you're moving on, and you're like, I. I always hope that for music, that I'm gonna find the next Sydney Bechet, the next one, you know? Like, I have that now, but I would love to find the next thing. And you want to do that. You want to fall for something else. That's why I kind of like that you're getting right back into 311, where you're like, hey, you know what? I. I got to give this band a little bit more of a listen here. I don't know. You're like, I love that idea. Idea, you know, or something new. Who knows? [01:32:04] Speaker A: It's so true. And. And it's never the same, right? Just like, love, like, it's. You never feel it the same way. Right. Like, my 311 Renaissance right now was nothing like when I fell for Led Zeppelin hard or when I fell for 311 the first time. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's. You know, it's. They're all different. Like, that's what's great about music. It hits you at different times in your life in different ways. And, you know, and. And you experience it. How you experience it. And what sticks. Sticks. And what kind of, you know, goes in one ear and out the other just kind of does that? It's. It's fascinating how, you know, we are really just so different with that kind of stuff. Now. [01:32:37] Speaker B: I gotta tell you, I. Obviously, I've known you for a long time now where it's like, I. I knew back in the day you always talked about Led Zeppelin. And I know that. I know that was a big, big thing for you, but I gotta tell you right now, hilarious. My own hilarious Led Zeppelin story, if I can call it Zeppelin Story, is. I don't know if I've told you this before or not, but you ever see the movie Killer Clowns from Outer Space? [01:32:58] Speaker A: I've seen some of it. Yeah. On USA in, like, back in the 80s. Yeah. [01:33:03] Speaker B: It is hilarious, fun, B. Campy movie, you know? [01:33:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:33:07] Speaker B: But obviously these clowns come from outer space. And they. They. What happens is they use these guns and they shoot people into cotton candy and they stick a straw on it, suck the blood out of. It's just. [01:33:17] Speaker A: It's. [01:33:17] Speaker B: And there's a lot of gags in there with the clowns, but it is. It's just. It's just hilarious, but phenomenal. [01:33:22] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:33:23] Speaker B: One Halloween, like, I don't know if it was last year or two years ago, like, I gotta show this movie to Allison, because it was. And I hadn't seen it years. I mean, it's a fun movie. You know what pisses me off about it? I actually got really mad about this. I don't know if we. I couldn't find it on streaming. I don't know if I found it on YouTube. Wherever the hell I found it, it didn't have it. What? I had the whole movie, but there was one scene that I was looking forward to, and I wanted out, you know, because it was like a pumped up for me moment of the movie. This sounds so dumb now, but there's a moment in the movie where they get all the clowns. Like, they've already. [01:33:55] Speaker A: They. [01:33:55] Speaker B: Now that people are realizing they're coming down, they're here on earth, and they're people up and everything. You know, there's a moment where they show you this whole bunch of clowns at the top of a hill on the street, and they're. They're coming down the street in slow motion and they're. What's. What song is playing is cashmere, and it is awesome. Like, the music with that shot was such a brilliant idea because it is like, I'm almost like you're sitting there going, you know, I want these guys to up the town now. [01:34:23] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, I'm just not trying to do. [01:34:26] Speaker B: But I show it to Allison. [01:34:28] Speaker A: That song is. I'm sorry. Sorry. I think you're done. [01:34:29] Speaker B: No, no, go ahead. [01:34:30] Speaker A: No, no, no, continue. [01:34:32] Speaker B: So I'm showing this movie to Allison, and that clip of that scene wasn't there. [01:34:37] Speaker A: Oh, how's that? Oh, lose the rights to it or something. That's. [01:34:39] Speaker B: That's the first thing I thought of was it had to be something to do with the rights to the music or whatever the platform was. I'm like, they probably never asked for. [01:34:45] Speaker A: It in the first place. Place probably. [01:34:46] Speaker B: I was wondering, actually, because it's the movie, right? Yeah. There's an actor in there. You know, I'm trying to. The guy has. The guy's been in a million things. Well, I'll look up his name while you talk about what you're gonna say. [01:34:58] Speaker A: So I was gonna. Cash me out. That's the. That's the song that kind of got me into. It's funny. So I'm. I'm listening to back in the early 90s, like I said, 1991. 92, when classic rock was really coming back. And they. But they still have these records, you know, record collections on tv. And Led Zeppelin is back and they played. And every time it hit Cashmere, I was like, what song is that? Like, yeah, it is so. Just. Just elevating and spiritual and it's just this amazing sort of classical music take on it. And it's. But it's. And it always mesmerized me. Mesmerizing. That's a good word. It's such a mesmerizing song. It always. It's my favorite song of all time, by the way. I should point that out. [01:35:39] Speaker B: Is it really favorite song? [01:35:40] Speaker A: Any. Any band? Any. Cashmere. 100 Detroit Rock City was up there for a little while. I kind of jumped over that. It's. It's amazing. [01:35:49] Speaker B: So. [01:35:49] Speaker A: So it's funny. You. That's the song you mentioned, you know. Well, that's. You know, that's hilarious. It's funny because I have a Sydney Bechet story. Can I tell you that? [01:35:58] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. [01:36:00] Speaker A: You mind? I got no Sydney Bechet story. Oh, come on. [01:36:02] Speaker B: You know, actually, you know what? You know where. I thought you were gonna. I swear to God, I swear I really thought this is what you're gonna say. I wanted to mention this. We are huge Indiana Jones fans, you know, and I. We've. I've never delved into. As obsessed as I am, I never delved into the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. [01:36:22] Speaker A: Right. [01:36:24] Speaker B: But being in Harrison Ford, nerd. It's funny. My buddy Joey was. Was Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, like you. And my buddy Billy was Sean Penn. And we were talking about our favorite actors. We were. Because we went to theater school, we felt like we're acting nerds or the. [01:36:37] Speaker A: It is. [01:36:37] Speaker B: So I made it almost a mission. I'm like, I want to watch everything Harrison Ford did. You know? And so I've watched, so I'm like, I've got to check out this. There was one young Indiana Jones Chronicles episode that Harrison Ford was in. [01:36:51] Speaker A: And I wish I could mention this before. I think. [01:36:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I have. [01:36:54] Speaker A: I think. [01:36:55] Speaker B: And he finds in the episode, he's in the very beginning, in the very end. And of course, in the beginning, he flashed he's talking to somebody and they flash back and they show you the young and the. Out of Jones. Then they go back to. To the end. But it's supposed to be him. He finds this trumpet, I believe. And he talks about how he found. Came across this. I used to play music. And then he goes back to the jazz age. So the whole episode has some of that going on. [01:37:17] Speaker A: Very cool. [01:37:19] Speaker B: And he. Who does he meet? And I've. I've seen people talk about the show and the show. It's almost like in Last Crusade when he meets Adolf Hitler. You know, the show is basically him meeting all these famous people throughout every episode. Like, oh, this guy met him everybody, you know? [01:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:32] Speaker B: But he winds up meeting Sidney Bechet. And he plays with Sidney Bechet. Oh, and who plays Cindy Bechet is Jeffrey Wright. It was one of his first acting jobs. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Oh, shit. Really? [01:37:42] Speaker B: And what I laughed at was when I watched the episode is Sydney spells his. His name is spelled S I D. Any Y. The episode comes out, the titles come on. Jeffrey Wright as Sidney Bechet, Sydney, any Y. And I'm like, but did they do that on purpose? Are they trying to make it? Like maybe there was a rights thing. Like, I don't know what the deal was. I'm like, wow, they misspelled his name. Like, what is going on here? [01:38:06] Speaker A: You know, that's weird. [01:38:08] Speaker B: But I thought that's where you were going. And you were like, dick. But I. Oh, I was gonna say. But before real quick, when you were talking about the cashmere thing, you're so right about that. Where it's like, again, again, I am not the. The. The. As fine tuned with the rock music as. As most people are. But it's like, obviously there's songs to hit you. It's like that song, like I said. But even watching the movie. But also like the fact that it wasn't there. There is something about that swimming here. You're like, it. It does feel different. And if there was something, it gets you amped up and you're like, this is. I want. Like you said, I want to know what the. This song is. I totally understand that when you Hear that song 100. [01:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Really. It got me. That song got me Holy man. Well, we should wrap this baby up. We. We did it again. We went. Went pretty long here. [01:38:54] Speaker B: I know we took a few breaks there, which we'll edit out. But yeah, we did a long pod here. [01:38:57] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get this down to an. But not much less than that. I'll tell you. I know, hey, but, hey, listen. Hey, this is our first Modern Men of a Certain Five. We're doing this now. I love it. Great talking to you about this so much. [01:39:13] Speaker B: So we know. We know what the next topic is going to be, do we not? [01:39:16] Speaker A: We absolutely do. The next topic, folks, coming at you is going to be top five laugh track sitcoms. That's right. Laugh track. Yeah. So no, no Office, no Modern Family, no Scrubs. We're talking. You're talking Cosby Show. We're talking, you know, Cheers, all that kind of. So laugh track, Seinfeld Friends. So we're gonna break down our top five laugh track sitcoms. That's coming next. We'll be having that out for you soon. Before we break, I just want a special thanks to Luke Boyle for producing the pod. We really appreciate that. Thank you, Luke. [01:39:47] Speaker B: Yes, always. [01:39:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And thank everybody for listening out there. I mean, we really appreciate it if you. If you stuck with us jerks for an hour and a half listening to this. God bless you. We really appreciate you. Thank you so much. It's great. [01:39:59] Speaker B: Yeah, you're a big fan. What can we say? And don't forget, if you have. We want to hear your top five, hit us up. You know, make fun of me, make fun of Phil, or. Or hit us with five and say you're full of Led Zeppelin blows. You know, jazz sucks. I don't know. Give it. Give us a ring. You know, say hello and. But if not, that's okay. We just want to say thank you again for listening and I don't know. Hey, listen, that's all we got. Until next time. [01:40:22] Speaker A: Appreciate it. [01:40:23] Speaker B: Thanks.