Best Picture Winners

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello and thank you for choosing Men of a Certain Five. We're gonna break down top five everything from the world of pop culture and just the world in general. I'm Phil Rizzo. I'm gonna be joined by Brian Parks on this podcast. But a quick disclaimer. This podcast was originally called the High Five Podcast. We decided after recording a few episodes to change the name for a multitude of reasons. But, yeah, now it's called Men of a Certain Five. So if you do hear us refer to it as the High Five podcast, please ignore that for the first few episodes. We think we have some good content. We didn't want to go back and re record the those episodes where we mentioned the High Five. So we're going to stick with it and we appreciate your patience. Listen, thank you so much for listening and yeah, we look forward to putting some pods out there for you. [00:00:53] Speaker B: Yes, hello, welcome. Welcome to the High Five. Once again, Brian Parks here, and we're gonna have a little fun here today. Kicking very interesting topic. We're big diehard Oscar fans here. We usually have an Oscar party every year and hang out and watch these things. We're nerds like that. But before we get really in, dive into too much into this. Say hello to my partner here. Say hello, Phil. [00:01:17] Speaker A: What's going on, buddy? How you been, man? [00:01:20] Speaker B: You know what? I've been good. I've been good. And how about you? I know, I know. As far as this year's Oscar last year, I don't know where we're gonna be putting this out. So we probably shouldn't touch on the Oscars here, right? I mean, you know, it's funny. [00:01:30] Speaker A: I was gonna mention we could talk about the Oscars and then shoot to release next year. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, that's true. [00:01:36] Speaker A: We could just talk about it generically. But you know what? Honestly, who gives a. Yeah, we could always edit out whatever we want to edit out when we eventually put it together. [00:01:42] Speaker B: That is true. But yeah, baby. Yeah. And it's funny, like, we both have. We have had kind of fun, like, trying to name like, I know you have a good memory of like going from like 19, what, like 70 on. You're pretty good with best pictures. Like we were doing the other day. You were rattling them off pretty good. As far as best picture winners, I. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Could do 1960, at least 65 and up. 65 to 2023 or 2022. I could do. I could name you the best pictures. Man, I'm an Oscar freak. Which is kind of weird because it's kind of. I've been kind of soured on the Oscars for like years now. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been. It's been up and down. It's been up and down. But I still. We still always watch it though, you know, I mean, I still do. [00:02:20] Speaker A: I still like bet not. I still like watching. I'm still fascinated by what gets nominated and what is considered best Picture, Best freaking Sound. You know, it's still fun to talk about. You and I have been. Been talking about this for years. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:32] Speaker A: Making movies about it. [00:02:35] Speaker B: The old Oscar chat days. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Oscar Chad. Some. Some minor. Some. Some independent films going out there now. [00:02:41] Speaker B: I gotta ask you, did you have a hard time? Like I got. For me, I gotta be honest with you, it's my top four here is kind of, for me personally, is kind of tough to get into, but to break into. But that fifth spot, boy, I. I rotated like four movies into that fifth spot. That was a little dicey for me. How about you tell you the truth? [00:03:00] Speaker A: This might have been the easiest list I've ever made in my life. [00:03:03] Speaker B: No shift. [00:03:04] Speaker A: I was shocked. I was shocked as I was going through it. I said, okay, this is definite. This is definite. This is definite, this is definite. And then my fourth one, I was like, all right, this is definite. It was pretty, pretty quick. [00:03:14] Speaker B: Wow. [00:03:16] Speaker A: You and everyone listening is not going to like my list. I'll tell you right now. [00:03:19] Speaker B: I. Interestingly enough, I did listen. I do listen to this other podcast called the top 10 of everything. I guess it's called, or at top 10 of anything. These two British guys do it. And. And they. Today or not today, I guess this week they did one on the 80s comedies. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Oh. [00:03:35] Speaker B: And I gotta be honest, here they do now again, they do 10. And I'm sitting there going, oh, this is easy. And then I listen to them do it. I'm like, that's probably an impossible list to do because you're leaving out so much. Even. Even into 10. We're only doing five here, you know, like, I thought that was pretty interesting. Yeah, I have to hop into that category at some point here, you know. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Oh, that sounds great. You know, it's funny. A buddy, mine, you know, Anthony, Anthony asked me one time, he said, he calls me, him and his other buddy, my other buddy Steve's hanging out and they're like, phil, settle a bet. Name the top five 80s, like 80s. It was either 80s commies or 80s movies. And I quickly, you know me, I love questions like that. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Like grossing wise. [00:04:14] Speaker A: No, no. Just like, what would you say are like the quintessential 80s. [00:04:18] Speaker B: Oh, got you, got you. Gotcha. [00:04:20] Speaker A: So I rattled off, like, four. I was like, ah, that's kind of all I got. And he was shocked. He's like, oh, my God. I thought for sure that Fast Times would be on there. Fast Times, the Ridgemont High, which is absolutely a classic 80s movie. But I was just a little too young for Fast Times. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:35] Speaker A: You know what I mean? It was like 80. What was 80? Like three or something. So like 82. So I was. [00:04:40] Speaker B: I've actually. I've actually still. I've never seen that, Believe it or not. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Really, it's worth seeing just for the iconicness of it, you know, it's worth seeing just for, you know, all the stuff. Sean Penn is a fucking stone or surfer. Phoebe Cates coming out of the pool, you know, but, yeah, well, the point was, it's like one person's absolute quintessential top five is not another person. So that's why these lists are so fascinating. [00:05:01] Speaker B: No doubt, no doubt. Speaking of, speaking of this list, for perfect example, the Best Picture, you know. You know, the interesting thing about this is that we always joke around about some years they get it right, and some years they're so far off that it kind of pisses you off. You know what I mean? But then again, it's always easier to. To look back years later and go, you know what? How did this win? But sometimes in the moment, like. Like the best one I can think of right off the top is the same Private Ryan, Shakespeare and loved one where it's like, when that happened at the moment, you were like, there's no way that. That. That should be the way it is. And like we said, you're going back in time. You're like, shakespeare, love is a great movie, but it's just not Saving Private Ryan. I don't know. You know, I mean, and it's. [00:05:38] Speaker A: You know, it's funny. I'll tell you what, I remember when that one, I was shocked. But I. You know, I was a big fan of Shakespeare in Love. I liked everything about it. I was kind of caught up in, like, the. The romance of it and the, you know, the emotion of it. And at the time, I was like, I'm okay with it. But since, you know, as time's gone on and I've watched Saving Private Ryan again and again, it's. It's brilliant. Like, yeah, there's no way. There's no way Shakespeare in Love is. Is. I'll say this, at least there's no way that the way the. The Oscars are set up, Shakespeare in Love should have won over Saving Private Ryan. You want to argue which is a better film, that's fine. But. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:06:12] Speaker A: And I do think Saving Private is a better. But as far as the Oscars are set up, like, it was clear, was a Harvey Weinstein Miramax just, you know, propaganda campaign that just, just, just shoved Hollywood into voting for Shakespeare in Love. It's basically what happened. And then ever since then, they were lobbying for movies before that, but that really, you know, tipped it over another fucking. That really took it to another level. And now it's like, you know, it's out of control now. It's, you know, but. [00:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. You know, and it's funny, like, in hindsight, you look back, I mean, we can go back to a lot of them, but, like, I know there was always. Actually a lot of people would probably get mad at us for talking. I know we tied this conversation the other day talking about something like Goodfellows and Dances With Wolves, where it's like, you know, like, you know, I was with you on the idea of that. I think Dancer Wolves, like you said. Like, I think it deserved to win, to be honest. You know, it was that epic kind of big movie. Like, like you said, looking back on both films, like, Goodfellas is probably has way more influence than Dances With Wolves does or it's more pop culture impact. But, you know, I think. I think Dan's Real Wolves is the. I don't know, overall for the Oscar thing, anyway, an Oscar, what you would see a Best Picture being, you know, could. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Could not agree more. [00:07:24] Speaker B: And I think everybody just turned off the podcast. But, hey, listen, that's how we do, you know. [00:07:28] Speaker A: No, they shouldn't, man, because, you know, spoiler alert, we're talking about that again at some point. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Okay. All right. Well, interesting enough you say that now. Let's. Let's get into this then. Now. So we're doing only our top five of the best picture winners that have ever been. [00:07:43] Speaker A: That's. Yep. So the. The films that have won Best Picture over the years from 1920, I want to say, what, 7 or 29. [00:07:49] Speaker B: 7 or 8. Somewhere around there. [00:07:50] Speaker A: When Wings. Wings was the first film. Right. So from Wings to freaking. What the hell? Won. What the hell? Just won everything everywhere as of this 2022. Great. You're right. As is this recording. Right. We're definitely dating our pod now. We're gonna say Oppenheimer is gonna be. Is gonna win, you know, 20, 23. [00:08:09] Speaker B: That's the favorite. Yes. Now are you. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Movies I've watched. It's the best one, but. That's right. [00:08:13] Speaker B: Okay, now. Now I'll let you. I'm gonna let you kick this off now, and we'll hit your five, and I want to hear. We'll go from there. But. Yeah, let's. Let's see it. [00:08:23] Speaker A: Can I throw a couple honorable mentions at you? [00:08:25] Speaker B: Well, that's what I was gonna get to. Because I gotta be honest with you. I was gonna ask you what your number six was if you had one, because I. Because I. There's honorable mentions have to happen here. Go ahead, hit me with some. Go ahead. [00:08:36] Speaker A: I. I have three number sixes. I didn't categorize them into eight, seven, six. [00:08:40] Speaker B: I'm with you. I'm with you. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Okay, so. So my first honorable mention. You're gonna like this one is Casablanca, man. [00:08:47] Speaker B: Very nice. Okay. All right. [00:08:49] Speaker A: So, you know, and that's really the only, like, classic classic film, say, pre 1970 film that's on here for me. And it's not on here. It's just an honorable mention. But, you know, I still only seen it once. But you only have to see that movie once to really appreciate how amazing it is. You know, it was definitely, you know, the best film that I watched from your list of 50 films that I had never seen. Wow. [00:09:12] Speaker B: No kidding. [00:09:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that was definitely. It was. It was. It was the hardest I ever wrote. Four stars on a piece of paper in my life. [00:09:18] Speaker B: Wow. [00:09:19] Speaker A: It's just a phenomenal film. So I completely get. And. And, you know, it's. It's an absolute iconic classic, you know, in. In. In film. So, yeah, that. That was on there for sure. And then a couple other ones, you know, I. No country for Old Men kept popping up. You know, I absolutely love the Coen brothers. I love that movie. I love everything about it. You know, I love the ending. I love the performances. I love the mood. And, you know, just everything about. It's just a phenomenal film. The Coen brothers can really create something unique, you know, whenever they really give it a shot, man. It's. It's. It's a mood in film that you don't really get. And it. [00:09:57] Speaker B: You know, I was gonna say the way you said that, the way, like, you said the mood in film like that. That. That's one of those movies that stays with you. Especially, like. Especially Javier Bardem's character. Like, there's so many things stay with you when you think about it afterwards. Like, holy shit, you know, 100, 100. [00:10:11] Speaker A: I mean, great performances all around. But, yeah, obviously he was. He was spectacular. And then my last honorable mention is it was tough to kick this one out of the top five. But it was Braveheart. You know, Braveheart changed movies. Not just for me when I saw it at a, you know, early 20s, you know, impressionable age, but it. It changed film. You know, it dictated how we, you know, the level of on screen battles from then on. Right. When Braveheart came out in 95, you had never seen realistic battle scenes like that before. You've never seen the blood and guts of what actual. Whatever it is, 14th century warfare look like, you know, or 13th century. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. [00:10:52] Speaker A: And that was just great movie, man. Mel Gibson just, you know, directing the. Out of it. I think it was the second movie that he directed. The first one was Man Without a Face, I think. But I mean, he nailed, you know, he won both Oscars for years. You know, directed it, produced it. Just a great film. I mean, you know, I think everyone's probably seen Braveheart. I know, you know, Mel Gibson isn't seen in a favorable light anymore these days, but it doesn't erase what he accomplished with that film. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like he's kind of. I don't know, I feel like he's got. Which. He's one of those weird ones where I feel like he's kind of like off the radar, made kind of a comeback in a way. I don't know. Like, I feel like he still works, he still does things, and he still does great films as a director, too. And I say that was on your list when you gave it to me. I. And I love that movie. [00:11:32] Speaker A: That's right. Right. I was on there. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. So those are my honorable mentions. Do you want me to kick into my five and then you. Do your honorable mentions sound right? [00:11:39] Speaker B: Yes, that. Let's do that. [00:11:41] Speaker A: That's so. It's funny you mentioned Dancing Wolves number five. [00:11:44] Speaker B: No. Okay. [00:11:45] Speaker A: No, that was my number five. You know, this is a movie that, you know. Yeah. And you. You said it perfectly. Goodfellas changed film. Right. Goodfellas, you know, was so freaking. I. I overused this word iconic so far. But you, you know, it changed the way we kind of looked at films, you know. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Scorsese had done some, you know, masterful films before that, but Goodfellas really, you know, was the first of kind of how he makes films now. You know, we have seen movies like Goodfellas from Martin Scorsese since then. But that was the first one. Talk about an Oscar snub, you know, Ray Liotta like that. That's pretty doubt. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Great point. And in fact, that's something that people don't really bring up enough. I feel like you're right. I can't believe that it wasn't. [00:12:29] Speaker A: That is unbeliev else got nominated in that film. Joe Pesi won, of course, for Best supporting Actor, but, you know, Dairo got nominated and I think Lorraine Bracco certainly got nominated. But then no nomination. Not even a, not even a. Oh, wait, did he. No, he didn't get nominated, right? [00:12:43] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:12:44] Speaker A: I don't think he did. I don't think he get nominated again, folks. I'm sorry. Like, I, I'm. I'm freewheeling from off the top of my head. I didn't take too many notes about like, you know, who knows what we're going to talk about on this, but yeah, no, so, so talk. Talk about an ostra snub. But Dances With Wolves, you said it perfectly. Dances. Wolves is the sweeping historical epic. You know, it's, It's a very American film. It's a very honest film. You know, Costner is, Has never been the greatest actor in the world. Like, he never has. [00:13:16] Speaker B: I've always kind of found him to be kind of boring, but he's kind of grown on me over the years. Now that I've watched, I've watched some more of him and I'm like, all right, he's not as boring as I used to think he is. So I like him more than I used to. But I'm with you from the, from what you're saying. Sorry. [00:13:29] Speaker A: He's always been a very understated actor. Right. Like, he's, he's never been flashy, really. You know, he's. He kind of plays the same character in every movie, but I mean, you know, damn devious in the All American Freaking man. Or at least was, you know, from the mid-80s to like the early 90s. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:13:46] Speaker A: So he, so he was great. You know, the score was phenomenal. The, you know, the production design was phenomenal. The just, just the, the, the, the writing, you know, breakout performances from. Not just him, but from, you know, Mary McDonald. [00:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the, and that's the woman from Battlestar. [00:14:07] Speaker A: That is, that's the President. President from Battlestar. Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I hadn't seen her before that, you know, but no Dancing wolves. I mean, and it hits me right in the Heart. Every time I watch it, every single time I watch it hits me right in the heart, you know, Great ending. A tragic ending, for sure. But so, yeah, so we. We. I was working at McDonald's in 1990, and we. McDonald's used to sell movies sometimes, so we had. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Really? [00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah. I swear to God, that's how I watched it. So I stole a copy of Dances and wolves from McDonald's, took that home and watched that a gazillion times. And now, just a phenomenal movie. And again, nothing against Goodfellas, you know, or any of the other movies nominated that year, but I always love Dancing With Wolves. My number five. [00:14:53] Speaker B: Now, like you said, I. I. Interestingly enough, I had to look this up while you were talking there. So. Mary McDonald was nominated for Best Supporting Actress, as was Lorraine Broccol. But Whoopi Goldberg won, apparently. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Oh. For Ghost. [00:15:04] Speaker B: And Joe Pesci won, like you said. Surely. And Robert De Niro was nominated, but for Awakenings, not for Goodfellas. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Okay. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Kevin Costner was nominated for Actor, and again, Ray Liotta was not. And Jeremy Irons won for Reversal. [00:15:21] Speaker A: Reversal of Fortune. Right. Klaus von Bulow. Right. Interesting. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Yes. But I've never seen that movie actually, myself. [00:15:28] Speaker A: Yeah, so. So you like Dancing Wolves? That was on my list. [00:15:31] Speaker B: I did. I gotta be. I watched that. My buddy Dan, during the Pandemic there and again. Because usually around the Oscar time, I like to knock off some best pictures I've never seen. And I went back and rewatched that one and I loved it. It was definitely, you know, I. I thought it was gonna be kind of long and boring. I was like, I don't know if I really. You know, it's like, to me, like, the English patients probably, like, when I look at the list, I'm always like, I don't know if I'm ever gonna get to this one. It looks kind of long, kind of boring. I don't know. This was in that realm. And I'm like, fuck it. Let me give it a shot. And I thank God I did. I fucking loved it. I thought it was great. [00:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah. English Patience. Worth watching once. I'll probably never watch it again. I saw it in 90. Oh, yeah. Six when it came out. I'll probably never watch it. Good. [00:16:08] Speaker B: And it's. It's funny because it's like a lot of. A lot of these, especially for, like, the top five. For me, like, these, my top five. I've seen. I. I can't even imagine how many times I've seen all the ones in my top five. Even if I even did a top ten, maybe. I don't know. But like, there are definitely a bunch of them where I'm like, yeah, I'm never watching that again. I don't know, you know? [00:16:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, case in point. I was just talking about Casablanca. I've still only seen it once, you know, even though it's a phenomenal film. Brave harder, probably seen 20 times, you know, so. Yeah, I hear you. Well, that was my top 10, man. I kicked it off top five. Sorry. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Yeah, no, no, that's. Now I'm gonna. Now I gotta admit, then my number five flipped back and forth. [00:16:46] Speaker A: I can't wait to hear what was. What was. [00:16:47] Speaker B: Many times. Now the reason why, I gotta be honest with you, just for the sake of the podcast, because I had a feeling we were probably gonna have a conversation about this, I decided to put this just outside the five. So in the, in my honorable mentions, I had to put in the Godfather. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Oh my God, that would make your five. [00:17:05] Speaker B: I was right there. I gotta be honest, it probably would be number five. But I'm like, I know you're gonna get involved. So I was like, you know, how, how, how in sync some of our things would be. So I was like, you know what? Let me, let me, let me let. We'll let that, we'll let that come when it comes. But otherwise it probably would be five, to be honest. And then other great ones I do love. I gotta, I gotta be honest. I. I know this is going to sound a little weird to be a big epics that are probably boring, but I saw it in school. I loved Ben Hur as a kid. I loved the Chariot Race. I loved the whole thing. I thought that movie I love. But it's not one you're going to go back to because it's fucking 18. I don't know how long that movie is, but I remember when it was. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Showman commercials when I was a kid. It was until like one in the morning. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:17:48] Speaker A: Insane. I've never seen that. Never seen Ben hers in the 50s, right? Like early 50s. [00:17:52] Speaker B: I want to say it was in the 50s. Yeah. Like 50. She's 34 somewhere. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Maybe two 50s. That's probably one of the only movies I've seen. I'm not very good with the 50s as far as best picture winners, to be honest. I know. So, but, so in that case, we're gonna get to it here. I'm gonna, I put number five. I. Again, I Was going back and forth. But you know what funny thing too is I've been showing some. I showed Allison a lot of these movies, obviously, you know. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:19] Speaker B: So it's kind of rewatching a lot of these. I put Rocky 5. Rocky. Rocky. Rocky. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Imagine. Terrible. All right. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Rocky. [00:18:29] Speaker A: All right, all right. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, and it's funny because I kept thinking about. It's just inspiration. It's just so inspirational. Like, how could you not be pumped up watching that movie? You know, I mean, and it's just like the characters are all so well defined. It's so. It's so gritty and it's just so, you know, it's just so. Such an underdog story. And of course, going along with it, you can't watch without thinking about the whole thing with Stallone in general, you know, like the fact that he wrote the movie and he went through fucking shit to get it made and, you know, and came out of. He came out of, you know, I don't know. I had a hard time getting it made. And then here it is. He wins the whole goddamn thing. And he. And the sequels and everything. But also, at the time we're doing his recording, sadly, Carl Weathers just passed away. [00:19:17] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, man. Carl Weathers doesn't love Apollo Creed. He was. [00:19:22] Speaker B: And I know we always. I think I've told you about this before where I think there should be an Oscar nominated category for people that I think. I think you mentioned that the rewatchables does kind of something like this where the guy comes off the bench and just kills it in the scene kind of thing. [00:19:35] Speaker A: 100%. Yeah. It's called the Dion Waiters Award. It's like the six men off the bench in basketball. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Not for necessarily Rocky, but I always think about Rocky for, believe it or not, the guy that plays Apollo's trainer. The ball dude. Oh, yeah, that dude's name. [00:19:48] Speaker A: I don't know his name in real. [00:19:49] Speaker B: Life, but yeah, he has that scene when he's like, you know what you got to do? [00:19:52] Speaker A: Do it. [00:19:53] Speaker B: He should have been nominated for that. You know, I mean, like, that was. You always remember that, like, that was powerful when you were a kid, you know, like watching that, you know, but. But Rocky itself, it's like, it just, it. It's so like. I know there's no more word we're going to use than iconic when we say all these fucking things, but it's. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Like, you know, well, they are. And the reason they're on this list of ours is because they are iconic. So, you know, it's. It's an apt word. [00:20:14] Speaker B: And like when you. Like when he makes the sixth Rocky movie. My favorite. One of my favorite things about that was at the end, they show you the Rocky steps at the end, and they show you all the people that. And run up the steps. Like, who doesn't hear that music? You know, running up the steps. Like, it's just. I mean, give me a break. I mean, you know, what are we doing here? And Adrian's a great character, you know, Apollo. You have Paulie, you know, and Burgess Meredith. There's just so. And there's so many great individual scenes. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Great opponents in every movie, too. I'm not counting five, of course, but no great opponents. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Yeah, for that matter. But 1, 2, 3, and 4. Unassailable opponents. Yeah, six was great. Six was. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Six was very good. I love that one speech. He had that speech with his son in the street there. That was on this is Us. I forget the actor's name. That was a phenomenal. [00:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And they did the callback in the fight itself. You know, it's not how. It's not how hard you could hit, it's how hard you can get hit and get back up again. Right, Great. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Love it. [00:21:08] Speaker A: Love that. [00:21:08] Speaker B: No doubt. [00:21:09] Speaker A: But, yeah, sorry. [00:21:12] Speaker B: No, it was interesting. So I. Like I said. And again, Godfather was on my list from you that you gave me. When I've got Godfather 2 is another honorable mention, which I did not put that on there. I figured we'll probably talk about that soon. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. You know me. [00:21:25] Speaker B: But yeah, I mean, you know, it just something. There's just so much heart to Rocky that I had to put it in there. So that's. That's number five for me. [00:21:32] Speaker A: I'll tell you this, and. And we'll throw this up on our Instagram for people to see, but we're talking Oscars, right? One of the all time best people's faces on the screen when they announced the winner. Moments of all time, Stallone's face when he lost to, I want to say Peter Finch from network. [00:21:51] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:21:52] Speaker A: He looked like he was gonna cry it. I wasn't. I wasn't. I was one year old. I was two years old in 1976, but. Or 77, really. When the Oscars were. I was three years old, but he must have thought it was a mortal lock that they were gonna say his name. Like, it's a miracle that he wasn't already standing up, because based on his face, I mean, everybody, like I said, I'LL put it up on Instagram, but Google the video of it, because it's. It's crazy. [00:22:17] Speaker B: But we got to do another one then after that, because I don't know if you remember. It's so funny. This is another thing that maybe endears us to Stallone because he's like, us, I feel like, you know, like, I'm not like, I'm not like that. We're built and we can fucking do all the shit, but he's like, he's. To me, he's a regular guy that wanted to do it, and he did it. He became an actor. He wrote and he did all the shit. But I just feel like he did what you want to see at award shows. I feel like, you know. But he did the same thing at Creed. He got nominated for best supporting actor for Creed. And his face, when he didn't win, I think he was actually heavily, heavily favored to win that award. And I forget who won. I want to say the. Was it Mark Rylance who won for. [00:22:50] Speaker A: What year was it? [00:22:51] Speaker B: Who won? Was it Bridge of Spies? Now, who's the guy that played Blofeld eventually, I think. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Oh, that was a Christoph Waltz. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Played Christoph Waltz, win Best supporting actor. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Was it one of these bastards? And he won it for the other Tarantino movie, but not one of those. [00:23:06] Speaker B: One of those. Somebody beat him out for Creed and the same thing, like you said, he had a face in yours, like, oh, like, like, like, you know, you always see the actors go, like. They clap like, oh, okay, I lost in their mind. They're probably internally doing that. But he. He showed it and on the camera, like, I lost, you know, And I love that. [00:23:22] Speaker A: The one that's better is there's one more like that that I'll never forget. It's when Samuel L. Jackson lost to Walter. Not Walter, to Landau. Martin Landau. For Ed Wood. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Oh, for Ed Wood, Right. [00:23:34] Speaker A: You could literally. You could see him go, ah, damn. Like, he was. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:38] Speaker B: What was. What was Samuel for? Is that Pulp Fiction? [00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it was Pulp Fiction. Yeah. [00:23:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:23:43] Speaker A: Okay. And he was the heavy favorite. He was heavy favorite there. [00:23:46] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:23:46] Speaker A: It sucks. You know, they get it. You know, they have 100 million people telling him, you know, in the three months leading up to the Oscars that you're gonna win. It's, you know, it's a lock. It's a freaking lock. And they just figure it's, you know, it's a lock. And. [00:23:57] Speaker B: And remember when Rowan Atkinson lost when that movie Stench won? [00:24:01] Speaker A: That's right. [00:24:03] Speaker B: I was Waiting for you to bring that up. That's right. [00:24:05] Speaker A: That's right. [00:24:07] Speaker B: But I feel like the Oscars would be great if, like, that went down, you know, other actors, like, you know what I mean? [00:24:12] Speaker A: Like, that you are. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you want to see some emotion. Like, that would be great. You know, that would be great. [00:24:18] Speaker A: That'd be awesome. [00:24:20] Speaker B: But yeah, so that's it. We got Rocky, and we got to keep it moving here. Let's see. Let's do number four. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Number four. Here we go. Not many surprises in. In my top four. Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Ah, yes. [00:24:36] Speaker A: I mean, okay, come on. Like, you know, you grow up with these trilogies, right? You grow up with, you know, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the Godfather, Right. These trilogies that are just locked in. And in my head I'm like, there's never gonna be another set of movies that's ever gonna, you know, become part of who I am, what I am, you know, and even though I was a little older, obviously when Lord of the Rings came out, I mean, that. Those three movies are phenomenal, and obviously they're a sensation. But. But Return of the King was amazing. What, what a cinematic achievement. Like, what. What a visionary in Peter Jackson, you know, to. To. To put. To have. To have all these moving parts working together. You know, the whole cast and crew lives in New Zealand for a couple years and just films the out of these movies. I mean, it was a phenomenon. I mean, the movie was long as. But I didn't care, man. I would have watched another hour. Like, we sat there in a movie theater. It was a midnight showing. It was four in the morning when we got out of that. But it was like you were just like, wow, like they stuck the landing. Like part threes don't stick the landing, man. They really don't do it. And the Last Crusade was awesome. Was, you know, a lot of most people think was better than Temple of Doom. Who doesn't love Return of the Jedi, Godfather Three? Let's just say about that, you know, the better a lot of people. Yeah, but I think it's a little better than everyone else does. [00:25:52] Speaker B: But I. I think it's one of those things where it was just up against the other two where it's like, what trilogy? I mean, you know, those first two movies are so. It's never going to live up to those. If. If think about if three was as good as the first two, there would. We would never talk about any other movies ever made. I feel like. I don't know, you know, like, it's kind of true. It's unbelievable how, you know, so. To stand up to that. But I agree with you from the standpoint of. On its own, it's. It's actually not horrible at all, you know, like. [00:26:15] Speaker A: No, no, it's really not. And Lord of the Rings, you know, because that's the movie I picks, that is stuff about the Godfather, even when I'm not picking the Godfather. [00:26:22] Speaker B: I know. [00:26:22] Speaker A: No, it was. It's just awesome. Who doesn't love Lord of the Rings? All those story lines, all those threads came together. A largely faithful adaptation of, you know, Tolkien's. Tolkien's work. So Lord of the Rings, man, it was such. Such a cool time in my life, you know, this was. It was. It was, you know. Well, it was actually 21 years ago now. [00:26:41] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, we were. I was in. We were both in our 20s, you. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Know, and you were still the good old days, partying. [00:26:48] Speaker A: But all I wanted to do was see those movies, man. It was awesome. So. Yeah. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you feel like that award was given to that for the overall trilogy, or do you think, like, d. Because I feel like. I also feel like a lot of people, again, listening to a lot of different lists and people bullshit about those movies specifically. I don't know how you feel about this, but a lot of people, when you ask them what their favorite one out of those is, most of them say the first one that I. That I feel like I run into. I don't know. How do you. How do you. Where do you land on it? Is it. Do you think. Do you think Three is definitely the best of the three? [00:27:18] Speaker A: That's a great question. You know, it's funny, they're so intertwined together that I don't even necessarily see them as three separate films, but clearly. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:27:28] Speaker A: I mean, gun to my head, I would say. Yeah, I would go. See, that's the thing. I don't know. I like them all equally. Like, yeah, Two Towers. It's the middle film, but it's got that absolutely unbelievable, you know, battle at Helm's Deep, which is just. It's still to this day, one of the greatest battles ever. Ever put on film. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:27:48] Speaker B: No doubt. [00:27:49] Speaker A: And, you know, and. And Fellowship of the Ring had the. Had the task of setting up this entire world, people who had, you know, who never knew what the fuck a hobbit was. And then, you know, you. You gotta. You gotta sell the whole. Really. The whole world on. On this. On this. This fictional place. And. And they did It. And so they pulled that off and then the third one brought it all home. I never, it was one of those trilogies that I ranked. I really never did. You know, we, we rank indie all the time. We literally did it in our, in a couple pots ago. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Yes, right. [00:28:19] Speaker A: The last part. Even the last part. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:22] Speaker A: And, and Star Wars, Lord knows we've been ranking that since we were five years old, but I never, I never ranked the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It's like gun to my head. Yeah, it's the best one. Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker B: Because it's interesting. I feel like out of all the, those kind of trilogies, it's, I mean, Star wars, the original movie can kind of stand on its own where Empire and Jedi, you do need the two kind of connected. But Lord of the Rings, they really all kind of belong together. It's hard to separate them. You know what I mean? [00:28:47] Speaker A: 100%. 100. Yeah. And, and I remember when it won the Oscar, it, their consensus was all the articles I was reading because, you know, of course, we were die hard Oscars at that point. [00:28:58] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:28:59] Speaker A: 20 years ago. So we were breathing Oscars. And, and I remember, yeah. You know, it, it was, it was the achievement they didn't, like Two Towers didn't win because they were waiting to give it to Return of the King is basically what a lot of the articles said, you know, and it does make sense in some ways. In some ways it doesn't. But, you know, it's either way. I mean, it deserved to win. And let's not forget it was only the second movie in Oscar history to do a clean sweep. 12. 12 or more wins, right. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Wow. [00:29:25] Speaker A: I think it was that and Ben Hur, I want to say, right. I think Ben Hur and I want. [00:29:29] Speaker B: To say Ben Hur. Titanic, I think I thought was up there too, actually. [00:29:31] Speaker A: But titanic was like 11 for 12 or something. If. Don't quote me on that. Like, you know, guys, you could, you could, you know, hit us up and let us know, you know, if I'm right or wrong. But I feel like, because I remember Spielberg gave the award, he, he announced the best picture at that year and he was like, it's a clean sweep. And so, you know, and I remember doing all the research. I'm pretty sure it was only Ben heard Return of the King. But we'll, we'll leave it up to. Leave it up to you guys to let me know how I am. [00:30:02] Speaker B: We'll leave it up to the fans. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Give us a call. Let us know it's 1, 800. [00:30:09] Speaker B: That'D be great. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Return of the King. Who doesn't love it? [00:30:12] Speaker B: Awesome. Nice. [00:30:14] Speaker A: I'm sorry, real quick, let me ask you, like, so you. I know you watch the movies. I know you like them, but you never, like, felt Die Hard for him, did you? [00:30:20] Speaker B: You know what? I did not. And it's funny, because I think I went to the movie theater with you guys and saw all three. I believe, if I'm sure. Right. And I. They're not ones that I went back to revisit. I want to do that. It's funny because Allison's cousin got into very. Is very Die Hard with all those movies. And so, you know, she was showing her some of the. The Hobbit movies, which I never. I. Well, the. Them. The ones they made after, I guess. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Yep. [00:30:47] Speaker B: And watching some clips of those, it was like, I gotta go back and give that thing another watch. So, to be honest, I've only seen each one of the Lord of the Rings films one time. Just those times in the movie theater. [00:30:57] Speaker A: Wow. [00:30:58] Speaker B: I know. I know which is. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Which is the best way to watch them, of course. But I've seen the original trilogy a million times. But I've only seen the Hobbit, the Unexpected Journey once. I've seen Desolation, a Smog two or three times. Never seen the Battle of the Five Armies. I heard terrible things and good things. It's weird. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Wow. [00:31:16] Speaker A: So that's. That's my number. That's my number four, baby. [00:31:18] Speaker B: So I like this. Now, you're. And I like that you're kind of going. You have classic Oscar films here. You have Epic Law, you know, you have some. Some big bangers on the list so far. All right. [00:31:30] Speaker A: There's a. There's a pattern there. Like, you know, you'll see when I get the rest of my list. You know, not. Not many surprises, probably with two or one. But I mean, there's the. There's the inkling to, like, wanna be a little more progressive and, like, you know, pick a movie. Like, I don't know. I'm trying to think of, like, a Birdman, say, for example. [00:31:50] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:31:51] Speaker A: Which one? Best pitch, which I loved, you know, but, you know, it's not as good as, you know, in my opinion, Dances With Wolves. But, yeah, there's an urge to be like, let me be a little me zag a little bit and, you know, put something out there. It's not just the standard Oscar, you know, fair. I got our Oscar movie. But. But it's hard it's hard when you're staring in the face of movies like, you know, Rocky and, you know, and, and my, My number two or my number one or dance. It's hard. It's hard to just, you know, be weird about it. [00:32:20] Speaker B: No, I heard. [00:32:20] Speaker A: But only five. It's tough. Makes it harder. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Makes it tough. I mean, we don't. Around here. We're going through the five. [00:32:26] Speaker A: And one more thing about it, it's like, you know, and also the way we pick our list. Right. It's like, like, of course we're informed by the era we live in. You know what I mean? [00:32:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:32] Speaker A: Like, I'm gonna be way more attached to, you know, Lord of the Rings than I am to, you know, Dr. Chivago or whatever, you know. Oh, I don't know if that one or not, but, but, you know, so we're a product of our time. I don't know if it did either, but. [00:32:44] Speaker B: No, but you're right, though. I hear what you're saying. [00:32:46] Speaker A: I'm not, I'm not gonna say Ordinary People, you know, I mean, that's not gonna be one of my top five greatest Oscar winning films of all time. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I gotta. And that's what, that's another great list. The top five we. Or what is it that, that, that we're not. We're not fans of? That should be like, I, I watched Ordinary People and I, I mean, the acting was very good, but I was like, I don't know. I, I can't believe that actually won. But actually there's one right there. Raging Bull should have won best picture that year. [00:33:09] Speaker A: 100. [00:33:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:33:11] Speaker A: I mean, De Niro won best Actor, of course, for one of the best performances of all time. But yeah, I mean, that, that's clearly one where it's like, Give me a break. [00:33:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I've seen, I've seen that. [00:33:20] Speaker A: Movie on, on like network television a bunch of times, you know. [00:33:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:24] Speaker A: Not to take anything away from, you know, Timothy Hutton or freaking Mary or like, good performance. [00:33:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:29] Speaker A: Donald Sutherland. Thank you. I forgot who the father was. But yeah, you know, but yeah, obviously, like, you know, obviously that to me doesn't. Doesn't match up, you know, and movies don't have to be epics to be great. They don't. Like the aforementioned Birdman is awesome and. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:42] Speaker A: I think it deserved to win best Picture. But Ordinary People, Come on. So that you're right. That'd be a Great 1. Top 5 Best Picture winners that are garbage. That would be something. Nothing again. Not the Nordic people's garbage, if you know what I mean. Our worst five. [00:33:55] Speaker B: That'd be yes. Definitely, yes. All right, well, let's move it along here. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Give it. Give me it. [00:34:04] Speaker B: All right, so now my number four, I believe I had on your list when I were doing that. We were doing our movie exchange there. And we're gonna go back to my. As early as I can go here for me, we're going 1934 here for this. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Can I say it? Oh, I was gonna say. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Oh, I ruined. [00:34:18] Speaker A: I remember. So you said 34. I knew it. Go. Sorry, I'm stepping on your toes. [00:34:21] Speaker B: No, no, it's fine. I. You know, so ironically enough, so this. This. It Happened One Night. It was actually directed by Frank Capra. And funny enough now, he did many movies that I love. One of them is Mr. Smith goes to Washington. One of them is It's a Wonderful Life, which. That. So that year, the year that that came out, the movie, that one I actually just watched, like, within the last month that beat that out for best picture called the Best Years of Our Lives. And I was like, I've heard of. About. It was about these war guy, war buddies coming back from the war. And, like, you know, it's like, I feel like at that time, I understand how it was kind of relatable, and I could see it winning. But what. I got to be honest with you, for me, like you said, talking about watching movies that. From our. At our time, I watched it, and to me, it was a snooze fest. You know, I. You know, and I. It's hard to look at it not. You know, I have a big bias with It's a Wonderful Life just because I think that movie is one of the best ever made. I was like, you know, but. But this was like one of those. And actually, I came to it. It happened when I. Because I had seen It's a Wonderful Life, I was like, I wanted to watch a lot of other stuff that this guy. [00:35:22] Speaker A: Another Capra film. Okay, definitely. [00:35:24] Speaker B: And. And it's. You know, I was never a big Gone with the Wind fan, so, like, this is, to me, my Clark Gable movie. Like, I think he is phenomenalist. And this is one of. This is the first one that again, later on. I don't know how many films have done this where they won. It was the first film to win the big five as far as picture director, actor, actress. And what's the fifth one? Screenplay or. [00:35:43] Speaker A: I don't know. I've only heard the best. The big four, maybe it could be a picture actor, actress, director, and then. I don't know. No. Right. [00:35:51] Speaker B: Because then maybe it is four things. I think it was since I think. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Lambs and one float. The Cuckoo's Nest. [00:35:58] Speaker B: That's it. Cuckoo's Nest. That was it. [00:35:59] Speaker A: That's. Cuckoo's Nest was the one that won the big four. Yeah. [00:36:02] Speaker B: And. Yeah. So, you know, it's just. I actually showed it to Allison. She liked it a lot. It was. It's like one of those screwball kind of romantic comedies, and it's Claudic Colbert is the woman. And they. It's a lot of their rapport in the film. And probably the most famous film scene in the film is the. There's a scene with the hitchhiking scene when. [00:36:22] Speaker A: When. [00:36:22] Speaker B: When Clark Gable is kind of a, you know, a guy. He's a chauvinistic kind of like, you know, I. I know how to do everything 34, so. Right. You know, and when they're trying to. They're trying to hit your ride, and he's trying to teach her how to hitchhike, and the car doesn't stop. And then, of course, you know, she's like, I'll get this. And she pulls her skirt up and shows her leg. Stops the car immediately. Actually, the guy to stop the car is an actor named Alan Hale, who. [00:36:46] Speaker A: Was in a lot of Gilligan's Island. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Well, no, his son was the captain of Gilligan's Island. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Get out of here. Yeah, okay. [00:36:53] Speaker B: He was in a lot of old movies. Oh, yeah. [00:36:54] Speaker A: I guess he would have been a little. Could have worked out. Right. Really young in 1934. And then the 60s was. Gilligan was at the 70s, I want. [00:37:03] Speaker B: To say it was the 60s, I think. [00:37:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I hear you, though. That's funny. It was. Alan Hill Senior was the driver. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [00:37:10] Speaker A: That's funny. Folks, if you're under the age of, you know, 35, 40, right now, we're. You don't know what the. We're talking about. [00:37:16] Speaker B: I know this is. [00:37:16] Speaker A: That. [00:37:16] Speaker B: That's. So. That's another thing, because my. My dad's one that showed me a lot of these older movies. So that's why I have a lot of, you know, hankering a lot of these. [00:37:23] Speaker A: But what are you saying? Don't believe the hype. This movie Bomber made me watch this movie. Not made me. But, you know, we traded these lists of films when we first met each other, films the other hadn't seen. And he put this on the list. And this was one of the other four Star Movies on there, man. This movie was just. I loved it. This is considered the first romantic comedy. Right? [00:37:42] Speaker B: Yeah, Right. Yeah, right. [00:37:43] Speaker A: I mean, I'd never. I'd never seen Clark Gable in anything in my life. [00:37:46] Speaker B: I hadn't seen comedy. [00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was genuinely funny. It was genuinely fun. Well done, well directed. I'll never forget the line when he's like, I forget. I forget what was going on or whatever. But, see, Car Key was on the phone with somebody, and the guy was getting so pissed, and. And the guy was getting pissed. The other guy goes, you know, he reversed the charge on that call. Right. He was like, what you can't make. Now, that's. That's a very old reference. Nobody's gonna really know what the fuck. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. That is funny. That is funny. [00:38:14] Speaker A: But trust me, folks under the age. [00:38:16] Speaker B: Of 40, it was funny and it's funny. I. I know you're not. I tried to get you on the Lowell and Hardy train, but I know it didn't happen. But actually, I think another movie on that. On that list was Way out west. And they. They did a kind of a parody of that hitchhiking scene in that movie where Stan pulls up his pant leg and stops the stagecoach. [00:38:32] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:38:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Iconic. I'm using the word on purpose now because if you talk about iconic like that. That leg scene alone, like how many Bugs Bunny freaking cartoons. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:38:43] Speaker A: Did that, Right? [00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker A: How many cartoons where the lady lifts the skirt and the car stops, you know, screeches to a halt, you know, classic. That's the definition of iconic. [00:38:52] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:38:53] Speaker A: I don't know what. [00:38:53] Speaker B: I'm with you. I'm with you. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Good one. I should have seen that one coming. Really good. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, well, now we're gonna. We're getting into the hot and heavy top three here now. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Three. [00:39:03] Speaker B: Let's. I'm trying to guess what you're. I feel like I know two of them. I'm trying. Third one here. [00:39:07] Speaker A: No, two. For sure. Three is. I mean, three when I say it. You'll probably get it. It's so. You know, it's. Let's bring it down for a second here, because my number three is. Is Schindler's List. [00:39:16] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:39:17] Speaker A: I mean, you know, come on. This movie touched me in a profound way, you know? [00:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:26] Speaker A: It's 1993. I'm. I'm. I'm 18 years old. Right. I remember I'm watching this for the first time. My aunt. My mother getting drunk, as in the kitchen I'm in the living room, lights out. It's like one in the morning. Yeah. I'm gonna put on a three hour movie. Like it's. That was that kind of awesome night, right? [00:39:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Everyone else is asleep and I'm like, all right, let me watch this thing. I'm watching it. I'm sitting there, I'm bawling my eyes out through half the freaking thing. I'm just, you know, crying, crying like a little kid. And. But holy. I mean, what a movie. Like, I mean, what Spielberg did with that movie, the way he showed us the horrors of that, of the Holocaust and of World War too. And I mean, it was just, it was crazy. You know, an absolutely star turning, making performance from Liam Neeson. Like, you know, he's a household name because of that movie. [00:40:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:16] Speaker A: And the million other people who you don't know in it. I mean, obviously we know Ben Kingsley and nobody knew who Ray Fines once at the time. [00:40:22] Speaker B: That's true. That is true. Yeah. [00:40:24] Speaker A: That movie made him. I mean, you know, he, he went on a tear after that, but now everybody knows who he is, you know, but, but I mean, you know, just, just his kid, the golf character and the Oscar Schindler character and Ben Kingsley's character, it was just a phenomenal film. The black and white was a stroke of, stroke of brilliance. [00:40:42] Speaker B: No doubt. No doubt. [00:40:43] Speaker A: Really gave it a sort of gritty kind of feel. Just the unwavering, just uncomfortableness of just, just every scene, I guess, you know, but, but it wasn't. But, but it's a movie I've watched multiple times. [00:40:56] Speaker B: It's weird. [00:40:57] Speaker A: I want to go watch Schindler's List again. But, but I mean, I do. It's just that good of a story. It's just that good of a true real life story. And the fact that this guy, you know, did what he did and the fact that, you know, all these people survived what they did. And you talk about an ending, right? [00:41:12] Speaker B: Rocky. [00:41:13] Speaker A: I'm not belittling Rocky 6, right. Where they all run up the stairs and cheer. Right, right. But we're gonna top it with the Schindler Jews. [00:41:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sorry, you're so right about that. [00:41:22] Speaker A: When the real Jews come walking and you realize. And, and you know, the actor playing their counterpart is with them. I mean, I'm, it's a credit scene and I'm bawling my. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's absolutely beautiful. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:41:34] Speaker A: If you haven't seen this movie, trust me, just watch It, I told my daughter at some point, you, you are watching this movie. We're sitting here watching it. [00:41:42] Speaker B: I, I, I gotta be honest with you. That's another thing too. Like I said, I didn't mention this. This is another movie that obviously definitely could be in mind. It's, it's, it's one that I haven't, I gotta be honest with you. I've only seen it once. I definitely want to watch it again. I want to show a thousand. It's just a movie that, like I said, like, it is so uncomfortable for me to, I mean, I'm not saying, like, I'm above anybody for, you know, I'm just saying for me personally to watch this movie, it, you have to be in the right mindset. It's kind of like, like I said, when I want to watch all these Best Picture winners, I think 12 Years a Slave is another movie that won. And I'm like, take me a while to get to that. Like, you have to put yourself in the mindset to go watch this. And, you know, like I said, in fact, me and Alison went to Washington D.C. when we first started dating. That was the first trip we went to was watching. And we're walking around the mall, the grand mall there, whatever it is, picking a museum to go to. They had this, apparently, I think at the time, this is like seven or eight years ago. But had the Holocaust museum there been there? And I was like, we both kind of looked at each other like, nah, I know, you know, we didn't want to go in there because it's, it's, it's such a. But, but like you were saying, like, I, I can't watch that. I remember that movie. Just seeing it once, especially at the end when, when, when he's like, you know, I could have saved more like that. That's it. Like you said, you're crying your fucking eyes out watching this. And it's one of those movies you watch. You like, I can't believe that this actually happened. You know what I mean? Like, it's unbelievable to think of, you know, you can't wrap your mind around it. But you said that was Spielberg at his peak. I can't believe he did Jurassic park the same year that that movie came out. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Same fucking year. He changed, he changed the landscape of movies twice in the same year. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Fucking crazy. That is what that goddamn genius can do. [00:43:23] Speaker B: It's funny because my buddy, Joy, storyteller. [00:43:25] Speaker A: Of our time movie, my buddy Joey. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Was talking about different, different directors. And I think they might do talk about this on the rewatchables, too, about actors that do this. Like, they have a run where, like, you know, he was talking about. He was talking about Kubrick. I'm not a big Kubrick guy, but Kubrick going easy. His. I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for that, but, like, his run of films from a certain time where you could probably do with Scorsese, maybe even Spielberg too. But how about for one year, like, for Spielberg to have those two movies in one year? I don't know if anybody directed top that. I mean, that's pretty unbelievable. [00:43:51] Speaker A: I don't. I don't know any of the directors who've even had two movies in one year. [00:43:54] Speaker B: Like. Yeah, Yeah. [00:43:56] Speaker A: I couldn't even name you another one. [00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Crazy. We got to watch some Kubrick together because you're missing out, man. [00:44:03] Speaker B: Well, so. So I've seen. My favorite Kubrick movies are the Shining. [00:44:09] Speaker A: Mm. [00:44:09] Speaker B: And an older movie called the Killing. I don't know if I showed you. That was Sterling Hayden. [00:44:12] Speaker A: You did. I love it. You. You bought me the DVD for my birthday. [00:44:16] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:18] Speaker B: But I am not my number one. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Tarantino got a lot of his inspiration as far as his, you know, nonlinear storytelling from that movie. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Oh, really? Interesting. Yeah. [00:44:27] Speaker A: He said that? Yeah. And I saw it. I said, wow, this is. This is fucking Pulp Fiction. This is Reservoir Dogs. The style wise. It's great. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. But. But I am not a fan of my number one most hated movie ever made. To me is. I know this is gonna. I know everyone's gonna hate me for this, but. But it's just. [00:44:44] Speaker A: I'm ready. Go ahead, tell me. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Everybody has your own. Your own take on things, you know? [00:44:47] Speaker A: Just say it. Just pull the band off. [00:44:49] Speaker B: I am never gonna wash a Clockwork Orange again. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Oh, come on. [00:44:53] Speaker B: It's never gonna happen, mind. I will never watch it again. [00:44:57] Speaker A: We've never talked about this. Really. [00:44:59] Speaker B: I don't know if we have or not. No, I. I will never. I've watched it. I'm like, I can't believe it was made. I can't believe anybody wanted to see this. I can't believe it has any kind of cult following. I don't. Whatever it was, I did not get it. It at for 1%. I didn't get it. I didn't get any of it. Oh, I didn't get it. I know. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Absolute banger of a movie. I love Clockwork Orange. You kidding me? [00:45:18] Speaker B: I know. One of my buddies was like, this is my favorite movie. [00:45:19] Speaker A: Of all time. [00:45:20] Speaker B: And I'm like, I. I know. I can't. I know. I know it's up there. [00:45:23] Speaker A: I mean, it's. It's. It might be my favorite Kubrick movie. My God, it's so good. You just hated it. You just didn't. Didn't tap into it. [00:45:29] Speaker B: It didn't. And you know, I shouldn't say I don't like Cooper because of it, because I like I said, I. I liked Eyes Wide Shut. I do like Full Metal Jacket. That I thought that was amazing. And I did like 2001. Even though, considering it's not a movie I want to go back to. But I understood what it was. You know what I mean? [00:45:44] Speaker A: Yeah. That I get, like, I get. I wouldn't. If you hated 2001, I wouldn't. I'd still be like, what the. But I get you never wanted to watch it again. I get. I get. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Somebody who says, look, I get why it was made. Well, like, I get it. Like, it seemed like it was profound and blah, blah. I didn't really understand it that I get the Clockwork Orange. Like, it's such a. It's such a basic human moral story. Like, it's, it's. It's. It's one of the ultimate. It tackles one of the most. The oldest questions really, in the universe in such a. Such a. Just a. Just a shocking way. Like, it's, you know, it's. It's. The book distills this a little bit more Anthony Burgess's book, but like, you know, the question of, like, is it okay to. And this is. This enters. This is why it's so epic. And this is why it's such an old question in the universe. Because it, you know, know, are you. Do you do good things because you want to do good things or do you do good things because of consequences? You know what I mean? Do you. Are we good or bad because we are supposed to be good or bad? Or we're good or bad because, you know, God tells us to be good, and if we were bad, we'll go to hell. And so the whole idea of like, you know, is it right to make someone force someone to be good? Does that mean they're good or are they still bad? It's such a. A such a basic question. And, and, and it was such a. Such a revolutionary way to tell that story in nineteen 1971. It was banned for years in, In England. It's crazy. [00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I can understand why I Hardest. [00:47:16] Speaker A: To watch in some sense, for sure. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:18] Speaker A: I guess about it, nobody wants nobody. Nobody goes, oh, God, Let's. Let's. Let's watch that. That poor housewife get assaulted again. Like, you know. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:47:26] Speaker A: Nobody really wants to see that. But at the same time, like, that, that. That really, you know, really illustrates the. I mean, it's, it's, it's. It's satirical. It's, you know, it's a cautionary tale. Like, you know, it's a very, you know, to use the term ultra violent way to sort of describe, you know, where Kubrick thought we could be headed if we, you know, go towards a, you know, more of a fascist sort of. Sort of path, you know? [00:47:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm talking about. [00:47:54] Speaker A: By the way, folks, I'm sorry, that was. That was. No, a bunch of garbage, I think, but. [00:47:57] Speaker B: No, no, not at all. I do know it is, you know, a matter of a taste and, you know, I keep saying that, but knows maybe 10 years from now I might be like, you know what? Let's give this a shot. I've hated on it for years, but. [00:48:06] Speaker A: You know, it was just funny. I don't think we ever talked about that. [00:48:09] Speaker B: I know, I know. Now, before I go into number three, do you have a number? Is there one that you go to? Yeah, I can't watch that ever again. I didn't like it at all. [00:48:18] Speaker A: A Kubrick movie? [00:48:19] Speaker B: Any movie? [00:48:21] Speaker A: Oh, sure, there's a ton of them. I've watched a ton of bad movies, like horrible movies. Yeah. That people don't get, you know, off the top of my head. The Ninth Gate with Johnny Depp. I don't know what the. That movie was even made. [00:48:34] Speaker B: I've never seen that, actually. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's. It. The camera just followed him from room to room, from building to building for the whole movie. There was garbage. I still don't know what it was about. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Terrible. [00:48:43] Speaker A: I never walked out of a movie, I don't think. But that was the closest I think I ever came. [00:48:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, listen, you know, I gotta. I gotta. I gotta calm down my Kubrick dissing and. Nah, nah, nah, nah. [00:48:56] Speaker A: You don't like it. You don't like it. I just like debating talking about it. What do we got, baby? What is your number three? I'm sorry. [00:49:01] Speaker B: Yes. No, no. So I was. I was gonna say we could turn this into a Cooper pod, but I'm telling you what I haven't seen. I haven't seen Barry Linden. And I'm trying. I have never saw Spartacus. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Barry Lyndon might be the only one that I'll never return to. It was so well made and lush and. But at the same time, like, It's. It's like 120 years long. And you know that's a lie. I'll check it out again at some point. But. Yeah. So Lyndon. I mean, I've never seen Spartacus, but I've seen Lolita. I like Lolita. I've seen that. [00:49:27] Speaker B: Oh, I forgot about Lolita. And he. He did do Spartacus, right? Am I. [00:49:30] Speaker A: He did, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. I never saw. There's a couple early in history. I never saw, like, Killer's Kiss. I never saw a couple of his. Really early ones. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Killing was the earliest one I saw. But, I mean, Dr. Strangelove, of course. Have you seen that? [00:49:41] Speaker B: Oh, I forgot about that. I love that movie. That's. Oh, my God. [00:49:43] Speaker A: Great. [00:49:43] Speaker B: I totally forgot about that. That's a great. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Strange Love is amazing. [00:49:46] Speaker B: Peter Sellers is great in that. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Peter. George C. Scott's amazing. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Sterling Hayden. Yes. [00:49:52] Speaker A: And. [00:49:52] Speaker B: And. [00:49:55] Speaker A: This may be a Hollywood myth, but did you know that, like, you know Kubrick's famous, doing a million takes, right? [00:50:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:01] Speaker A: At the end of every George C. Scott take, he would say, all right, just for fun, do this completely opposite and just be a nut job. And he did it. And Kubrick used each one of those takes for George C. Scott's character. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Really? [00:50:13] Speaker A: That. Like I said, it might be a myth, but that's. That's. That. That's what I've read about. It's pretty fun. [00:50:17] Speaker B: And the. The iconic shot there was a Slim Pickens was riding on the missiles, going. [00:50:23] Speaker A: All the way down. [00:50:24] Speaker B: I mean, that's one of the best scenes right there. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Classic. So funny. You know, you watch a movie like that from that time and you're like, I'm not gonna laugh my ass off this whole movie, but it's like. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Like, once you get what they're doing, like, it's. It's great. And like, Peter Sellers as the president in the war room, like, it's. Oh, my God. It's the stuff of comic, like, legends. It's so good. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Wow. This is the Kubrick pot, all right. [00:50:47] Speaker B: It is. Yes. Well, ironically enough, my number three. You understand those list. So we're gonna go completely the opposite way of a. I guess a World War II movie here. I know. I don't know. I know how you feel about this movie, but I know my mom got me into this as a kid, so I had to put this on a list. I love this movie very Much. It's the Sound of Music. Okay, I know, I know, I know. What can I say? You know? You want to punch me in the face for that? I know, but what can I do? [00:51:14] Speaker A: It's a classic movie. [00:51:15] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I've always loved this movie. You know, my brother actually watches it every year with his kids, too. Like, just, you know, we used to watch it every summer growing up. It was one of those, you know, my mom was like, we're putting this on. And, you know, and the idea that it's a true story about. I mean, you know, obviously there's some liberties taken, but it's, you know, the von Trapp family escaping from Nazi. You know, the Nazi takeover there. What could we do? You know? And, you know, Julie Andrews, I always think about. I'm always more favorable to this than Mary Poppins, you know, this is. I don't know. I mean, the music's great. There's so many great scenes. And, you know, to me, I know this sounds so corny, but it's. There's this, There's a scene. Have you ever seen this movie? [00:51:57] Speaker A: I have. I've seen it once. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:52:00] Speaker A: In 1997. Wow. [00:52:02] Speaker B: You know. Wow. That's, you know, that's impressive. You know, when you saw it, was there any special occasion there or. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, you know what? Because this girl I was dating at the time, it was her favorite movie. I had shown her a bunch of movies, and she hadn't shown me any, and she showed me this, and I was not a fan. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Listen, I understand. [00:52:22] Speaker A: It's a lot of it was. I think you have to watch it maybe as a kid, and then kind of. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Maybe that's why. Maybe that's. [00:52:29] Speaker A: I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a. You know, I, I, I get why it was so popular, but, like, it just. At the time, it just wasn't for me. So I never kind of fell in love with it like a lot of people did. [00:52:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it was definitely one. Like I said, it's interesting that, like I said, like, my mom, my dad showed us all the movies that we grew up loving, you know, like I said, the Magnificent Seven and the Three Stooges and all, you know, all those kind of things. But it's like the Sound of Music was a movie. Like, I was different than anything else I had watched growing up, I guess. I don't know. You know, and the music, I love them. I'm not a big musical guy, but I love all the songs in the movie. And watching as an adult, it's different. Like, like you said, like, I grew up with it. So, like you said, it's, it's. I'm looking at it from a different eye, but it's like, you know, know, like there's just scenes where, like there's one halfway through the movie when she has the kids out on the town and she dresses them up and you know, they went to a store and they, or they, oh, they got, she made curtain dresses out of curtains in the room for the girls and for the, for the guys and they went out into town and Christopher Plummer comes home and he sees them on a boat in the water and he's pissed off at her for, what the hell, My kids running around town in this bullshit, you know, and the yells at them to go in the house and get changed. And he's yelling at Julie Andrews and then he hears them singing in the house and he's like, what is that? And she's like singing, you know, and it hits him like, you know, he hasn't heard music in his house in years. And it's just, you know, for an adult, as an adult watching that scene, I was like, that is. It was just so fucking beautiful to me. I was just so. And of course you have the whole thing with, you know, you understand more about the Nazis coming in. He's, he's, they want him to come into their, to their army and he's, you know, I got to get out of here. And you know, as a kid, you don't really understand what the fuck's going on, you know, but. And it's one of those three hour epic movies. And I gotta tell you a funny story too, while I'm on this now that my acting teacher when I was a freshman in Montclair was Jim Ligon, who taught like improv and stuff. And he told us a story. Shoot me about. He's like, there's one scene in Sound of Music that, you know, made me kind of like, I can't. I don't know. I don't look at the same way. We're like, why? I think he was kind of joking around with us, but he was telling us this. There is a scene in there where Julie Andrews runs away from Christopher Plummer, goes back to being a nun, and she's talking to like the mother superior who is trying to coax her to go back to Christopher Plummer. Like, this is the nun. Life is not for you. You love this man kind of a thing. Yeah. And she's Like, Julie Andrews. Like, I don't know. I can't go back. I can't face him. You know? And the mother superior goes, what is it you can't face? And it's just her accent made it sound like she says cunt face. To where he's like, I can't watch that scene now. He's like. He's calling Julian cunt face. What are we doing here? You know? Can I. Can we say that on a podcast? I don't know. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Say whatever the hell we want. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Kind of ruined that scene for me now, but. [00:55:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that's hilarious. [00:55:14] Speaker B: But, yeah, that's it. [00:55:15] Speaker A: That's right. You're dead. Right? Like, I. I didn't. I wasn't shown that as a kid by my parents. So, like. [00:55:20] Speaker B: Like. [00:55:20] Speaker A: And It's a Wonderful Life, too, actually. It's funny. The same. The same girl actually showed me both of those movies. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Wow. [00:55:26] Speaker A: Apparently, she was a big. You know, she got great taste, Clearly. She dated me. Me. But we. [00:55:34] Speaker B: Great line. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Yeah, there you go. But we. We. We weren't shown. We were shown the Godfather. We were shown. [00:55:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Sinbad. Like, other movies like that. Right. You know what I mean? Like King Kong. Right? We were showing those movies. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Love that. [00:55:48] Speaker A: But, you know, Sally Music never saw wizard of Oz. We watched, obviously, stuff like that. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I never got into it, so. Hey, there you go. That's your number three. Pretty good. [00:55:56] Speaker B: There we go. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Go. All right. Let's get into it. So. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Yes, we know where we're going here. [00:56:02] Speaker A: I think you know what's coming. [00:56:03] Speaker B: I'm curious about the order here, though. [00:56:04] Speaker A: For me, you are curious about the order. Look, I'm. I'm sticking to my guns. This has been. Well, talk about number one when we get to number one. This is the Godfather, Okay. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:56:17] Speaker A: My number two is the Godfather. Look, anyone listening to this pod, if you haven't seen the Godfather, you know, you go home, stop listening to this pod, put on the Godfather, and just watch it. Like, you have to watch it. I mean, give me a break. Like, if you haven't seen that movie, I'm not saying you gotta love it. I'm not saying you gotta appreciate it, you know, as much as, you know, people from my generation do. But, I mean, Jesus Christ, now. I mean, this movie, it's. It's. It's one of the most iconic films of all time. It's one of the best films of all time. It may even be the best film of all time. Time. Not in my opinion, clearly, because it's only number two. But the Godfather, I mean, you look at any, any, any top 10 all time movies list, it's gonna be top three, 100 guaranteed. [00:57:03] Speaker B: Definitely. [00:57:03] Speaker A: You know, it may be switched out with like, Citizen Kane or maybe switched out with, like, I don't know, I don't know what else would be considered. Maybe, maybe Casablanca. Exactly. Right? But the Godfather, it's freaking amazing. From, you know, Pacino, an absolutely amazing Al Pacino, you know, Marlon Brando doing his thing. James Kahn, freaking Robert Duvall, man. Did the Italia Shire, right? You mentioned her from Rocky. Like Francis Ford Coppola, you know, doing his thing, man. The, the music, the score, the scenes. Talk about iconic scenes. Talk about lifting your leg up to stop traffic. Talk about Julie Andrews spinning around on a mountain, right? No, no, no. Yeah, it's the horse head in the bed, right? Like, you almost don't get more famous than that, right? The book. Everyone on the planet was reading that book, you know what I mean? In the early 70s. So that, that, so when the movie came out, it was already a phenomenon before it got made. And it's just. My parents sat us down when I. I feel like I was 11 years old, maybe 12. My parents said, you got. You're not playing Nintendo tonight. You're not. Come on, you're coming to the living room. We're gonna watch this movie. [00:58:12] Speaker B: I love this. I love this. [00:58:14] Speaker A: I never heard of it. Me and Drew just sat there and watched it. And you know what? Three hours later, we were like, that was. I mean, we didn't say I was 12 years old, but I was like. I was like, that was amazing. It was an experience, you know? I mean, it was. It was so good, and it was captivating. It's like, what a movie. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. I also feel like, see, my parents never showed this to me growing up. I don't even know if I'm curious. I'm curious to know if my dad ever watched it, to be honest with you. Like I said, like, I mean, again, he was old school. There was a lot of older films. Not that he didn't like movies in the 70s, but I feel like maybe he wasn't into the mafia thing. I don't know. But again, we also were not Italian. I know it's like a rite of passage for, like, Italian people. Like, you got to see this movie. I don't know. I mean, you know, that. [00:58:51] Speaker A: That was a big part of it. My father's 100 Italian, you know, he was, he was. I'm sure that was a Big part of it. But my mother, My mother, the, you know, Scottish Irish woman that she is, grew up watching it as well, so. [00:59:01] Speaker B: And it's funny, like you said, like you, you picked the horsehead scene, but, you know, you could, you could easily go with, you know, the scene in the restaurant when he kills Sterling Hayden and the other guy. And you know, the, the scene with Sunny, obviously, at the toll booth. You can go there. You know, even the baptism, it's probably. [00:59:20] Speaker A: It'S probably the most parodied movie of all time, I would say. [00:59:23] Speaker B: No, you're probably right about that. [00:59:24] Speaker A: Almost. [00:59:25] Speaker B: Almost in the top five surety. [00:59:27] Speaker A: It's got to be. It's got to be. The Simpsons alone have parodied that dozens and dozens of times. It's like non stop. [00:59:34] Speaker B: And, you know, I gotta be honest with you, when I recently watched it with Allison, I said, you know, two things struck me. One was, and I'm probably gonna get knocked off or bumped off or obviously with the fishes for saying this, if anybody in the mobs is in this. But I couldn't get over how, how cowardly all of the kind of death scenes kind of are, you know, And I guess it's one of those things where you think about Mafia. To me, it's like, you have to be tough. You're a tough person and the job is tough, but the killing is never. It's gonna be man against man. It's, I'm gonna kill you and I'm gonna surprise. Everything's a surprise attack in a way. You know what I mean? [01:00:07] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Which is. Which to me is kind of like, you know, to me, when I watched it, I was like, almost every single one is, is never a scene where it's like, oh, we're like watching it. I thought some of the tougher scenes were like Marlon Brando with all the, all the head guys in the table. And Sonny speaks out of turn. He's like, yo, you know, that was interesting. Especially watching it, you know, for the, I don't know, fifth or sixth time I've seen. I haven't seen as many times as you have. I know that, but. And what I like about it too is that it's one of those movies that every time you watch it, you're picking up on something new for me, I find, you know. [01:00:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:39] Speaker B: Because I haven't seen it as many times. And the ending scene too. And when he shuts the door for In Front of K, that's one of the best endings. I mean, it's got almost there's nothing that you can say that's like, this is not, you know, everything's unbelievable. You know, and the other thing I was. Oh, God, I'm sorry. [01:00:52] Speaker A: No, no, please. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, can we get, I, you know, George Lucas fucked us over with the, with the, the special edition Star wars stuff. Can we get a special edition Godfather and somehow get Sonny's punch to connect? I mean, can we do that? [01:01:06] Speaker A: What are we doing? [01:01:07] Speaker B: It's been how many years now? I love that whole scene. I love that scene so much. And he just misses on that one punch. Can we just make it connect, you know? [01:01:14] Speaker A: I know. So it's such a, that, that's why it's number two. I'll tell you what, to bring this back to what we talked about earlier, right. So maybe the reason why my parents forced us to watch this, right. Is because, you know, that was, you know, when they were in there, what, like late 20s, you know, around 30, that movie came out and it was this phenomenon, right? Actually, yeah. You know, My father was 30 and my mother was like 25. So, like, you know, that was part of their youth. Right. So they, they're like, all right, you got to sit down. You got to watch this. Right? So it's funny, I recently showed this. I, I had my, my daughter and her boyfriend watch this with me. Me. Jacobe liked it. Emma was not a fan. She didn't, she didn't like it. She got why it was like, she's like, I, I, I, I get that it was well made. I get that it was. But she didn't think anything happened in it. Like, she was like, waiting for something to happen. And I think it was just a product of, like, how movies are made now and how they were made back then. [01:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:18] Speaker A: You know, and it's just we are, we are the environment we live in, you know, so where. I think the Godfather is a forever movie one because it's an historic movie. So even though it's made in the 70s, it doesn't feel like it's a 70s movie. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's made and it's supposed to be take place in the 40s, right. So it's the 40s in the early 50s. So, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of the historical movies kind of have a timeless feel to them, you know, regardless of the, you know, the graininess of the film. [01:02:46] Speaker B: Film. [01:02:47] Speaker A: But whereas Emma didn't get it, I think it will continue to move on. I think it'll continue to, you know, sort of dazzle people for generations. I think. I think it is one of those movies that's gonna just last forever. [01:03:01] Speaker B: There's no question and all, you know, to your point, too, it's like. It's funny, like you said, like, Emma didn't really. Nothing really happened to her. It's like, I. I understand that there's not maybe as much action. Maybe that's another reason why I didn't get. Get shown it as a kid, because maybe my parents would have thought, maybe we would have found it boring. But then again, and don't be wrong, first time we watched that, the music, I was like, can mowing and curly walk onto the hills. That would make this movie phenomenal, you. [01:03:24] Speaker A: Know, Somebody throw a pie, for God's sake. That's right. That's zberg. [01:03:30] Speaker B: The Godfather has. There's something about it where every single scene could almost be its own mini movie of like. Like it would win a best short film Oscar for each scene. It has, like. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's to me. To me watching it now, it's unbelievable how good. Good each scene is. It's like, you know, great point. I. I don't know. I don't know how. [01:03:48] Speaker A: So methodically filmed and made. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Very much so. Yes. [01:03:52] Speaker A: Well, well put. [01:03:53] Speaker B: Nothing is not done on purpose. Like, when you watch it, you can't. You know what I mean? Like, it's like. Oh, like, I don't know. It's. It's so. Everything is crafted a certain way, you know, it's just unbelievable. [01:04:05] Speaker A: There's a great film. There's a great show on Paramount. Plus I liked it. It's called the Offer. When I've heard. [01:04:10] Speaker B: I haven't seen it. I wanted to. [01:04:11] Speaker A: It's a lot if you're a Godfather fan, even. Even if, you know, you have some criticisms about the film, the. The show. It's a. It's a limited series show on paramount, plus it's 10 episodes. It's about the making of the Godfather. And yeah, they took, you know, they took dramatic license with some of the stuff, especially involving Sinatra probably, you know, and stuff like that. But it's kind of about, like, the mob and the, you know, everything they had to go through to get that movie made. But it's worth watching if you're a Godfather fan. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Cool. [01:04:36] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, it's the Godfather, you know, How's Anonymous? [01:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker A: No, no, I'm asking. Imagine. [01:04:44] Speaker B: Well, I know exactly. Like I said, I have a number. It's funny. I have it. I was fighting between putting that on there with Rocky, and it was funny because Rocky. I was gonna say my dad, actually, ironically, my mom told me that was the last movie that they went to go see together in the movie theater was Rocky. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Oh, my God. In 76. [01:05:00] Speaker B: And he fell asleep when it was like, guess we're not going to the movies anymore. But I'd be curious. I wish I could talk to them and ask them about never really, because, again, I. I don't even know how. I didn't have a conversation about how they had never shown that to me or if they had ever seen it. I'm curious. I know my mom was not into it. I know my mom was not into it, but she wasn't into the whole Mafia thing. She wasn't a gangster. She never liked any of that stuff. But interesting. [01:05:25] Speaker A: And yet White Heat and, you know, you watched a lot of those old gangster movies. [01:05:29] Speaker B: Well, we watched a lot of that was with my father. Again, like, my mom was kind of movies. Yeah. [01:05:33] Speaker A: Oh, I got you. Okay. Okay. It was your dad. [01:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:35] Speaker A: Interesting. One last note. And this is. This is our first of probably many Oscar pods. This was. This was one of the only times, one of only two times when the Oscar was refused. Marlon Brando won for best Actor, and Sashi and Little Feather went up there and accepted it on his behalf. Refused it on his behalf, actually. Interesting. And the other one was, you know, George C. Scott for Patent. He refused it. It. [01:06:00] Speaker B: All right. [01:06:01] Speaker A: So funny that we're talking Oscar. [01:06:03] Speaker B: So funny. Pacino didn't. Didn't win for this, too. Oh, I guess. I guess, Brandon, they were both nominated. Is that what happened? [01:06:08] Speaker A: I think Pacino was in the supporting actor category, I think. [01:06:12] Speaker B: Oh, really? And he didn't win. That's amazing to me. [01:06:14] Speaker A: It is amazing. It is amazing. It's amazing. It took it. It took till 1992 for him to win an Oscar. Yeah, well, 90. 93 Oscar is the year of 92 for Son of a Woman. But, yeah, he could have won. He could have went easily for this. He could have won for two, definitely. You know, he could have been. He could have been nominated for. I mean, he was, but he could. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Have won for maybe Dog Day or Serpico. [01:06:35] Speaker A: I was trying to get a movie. Dog Day Afternoon. Serpico, like. I mean, he had. He had some. Some bangers in the 70s. No doubt about it. Yeah, that's it. It's my number two, the Godfather all. [01:06:47] Speaker B: Right, well, we're gonna go number two with another iconic movie. You've mentioned it before, but I had to put cash blocker number two. What could I. What could we do here? You know? [01:06:55] Speaker A: Good job. Yeah. [01:06:57] Speaker B: I mean, you know, it's. [01:06:57] Speaker A: It's. [01:06:58] Speaker B: To me, it's another one of those things, kind of like the Godfather where it has all these individual scenes and the dialogue is great. And again, how many iconic scenes? You know, the whole. The whole ending with him at the airplane with Ingrid Bergman. I mean, you know, that is how many people have parodied that scene, you know? You know. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Sure. [01:07:14] Speaker B: And the line, here's looking at you, kid. Well, that. All that stuff. [01:07:17] Speaker A: You kids started a beautiful friendship. Right? Beautiful. Right? Help me out. [01:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah. This is the. Like the beginning of a beautiful friendship or something. It's another one of those things where. I guess it's another World War II movie. You know, there's that whole thing, I guess, going on and, you know, American Pride in it. Definitely. And in fact, there's one of my favorite lines, too, is when. So I. I think the actor's name was. I'm gonna. I might not pronounce his last name right, but I want to say it's Conrad Veit or Vit, that plays like, the German, you know, the head German soldier that comes into the Bogarts bar and he kind of sits down and bullshits with him and he's kind of, you know, Humphrey Bogart. He mentioned. Somehow Conrad White mentioned something about New York and Humphrey Bogart's. Like, there's certain sessions in New York I would not recommend invading, you know, like, kind of like, you know, fuck you off kind of thing. I was like, that's such an American thing right there, you know? [01:08:07] Speaker A: American thing. 100% about it. Yeah, 100%. [01:08:09] Speaker B: And. And again, when you watch it, like, for me, when we were younger, we didn't watch this very young. We were definitely in our teens, or watching us, my dad, it kind of knew we weren't really going to understand a lot what was going on, because it's not a. If there's not really that much action in it. You know what I mean? [01:08:24] Speaker A: No. Which is shocking. And how watchable it is as a. As a kid. [01:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:28] Speaker A: I should say as a young adult, like I was when you showed it to me. [01:08:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And again, at the end of the day, it comes down to being a love story, which, you know, when you're younger, you're not really that into. Especially a guy. You're like, who gives a. You know, But. But. But, you know. You know, as you're an adult, you're watching it, it's like, oh, okay. You kind of get into the. All of that. And then also there's. There's a scene where the guy that plays Ingrid Bergman's, you know, kind of husband, I guess, is Paul Henriett, I guess is the actor's name. [01:08:55] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:56] Speaker B: But when they're in Rick's and they start playing the German. Some German song. I don't know if it's their national anthem or they start playing some song, and he gets so pissed at hearing that that he has the. Another band start playing the French thing. That whole scene is. How could you not cry or get pumped up watching that? I mean, I got my hair stained. I did watch in that scene. I was like. [01:09:13] Speaker A: I did. Amazing. [01:09:14] Speaker B: It's amazing to think of living in that time and seeing something like that. You must have been like, I had to be such an interesting time to live in when this guy was trying to never know. Like, I know. [01:09:24] Speaker A: Like, that was such a unique time in history where you'll never know what it must be like to have been in Europe or North Africa or, you know. You know, any. Or even living in America at the time. Like, there's really. There's no. We'll never know. We'll never know. And. [01:09:38] Speaker B: And, you know, obviously, Humphrey Bogard, I mean, you know, doesn't get more. How much cooler can you get than him in that movie? And again, there's the scene where, you know, when he. When he finds out that Ingrid Bergman walks in and, you know, when he's sitting at the bar, like, you know, of all the gin joints and all the towns, all that, it's the brokenhearted guy at the bar who can't relate to that. You know what I mean? You know, it's just. It's just great. The whole. The whole movie is. It's one of those things where I could watch that movie. If it's on, I'll watch it because it's just like. The dialogue is great. I just love that movie. Yeah. Michael Curtis is the director who directed a lot of movies. I love Yankee Doodle Dandy, Robin Hood. [01:10:13] Speaker A: Oh, he did Yankee to Danny, too. [01:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Angels, Dirty Faces. I mean, again, really, the directors back then didn't have the kind of individualism. I mean, they kind of. Some of them did, some of them didn't, but he did in a lot of ways, especially the way you just named. [01:10:30] Speaker A: They're phenomenal movies. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You know, those are all four Star. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Movies on that list, I swear, there was only like six out of the 50, but Casablanca, angels, Dirty Faces, Yankee Doodle Dandy, all just freaking bangers, man. [01:10:43] Speaker B: I want to say I also believe he directed White Christmas, which I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of. I think it's okay. And he also did a movie that I absolutely love that I wasn't on my list at the Times. I didn't see it back then. I didn't see it till later on. It was another Errol Flynn movie called the Seahawk. I. I loved it. Alan Hales in that too, actually, by the way. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Senior or junior? [01:11:03] Speaker B: Senior. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:05] Speaker B: But that, That. I love that movie. But Michael Curtis was. Was a big director back then, obviously, so. But that movie is obviously. It's like you said, if you're talking about especially American films ever made, it's usually in the top three or four or five ever on any list. Usually. I mean, 100, you know. Yeah. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Funny little time with the Godfather. You remember the scene where Kay is talking about, would you prefer it if I was Ingram Bergman? Right. Where they probably just came out of seeing that, right? [01:11:30] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:11:32] Speaker A: 50S, you know. [01:11:33] Speaker B: Yes, actually. And actually, now that you say that, damn, I want to go back. And for some reason, I gotta be honest, you interesting you say that because why do I have a vivid or vivid vague memory in my head of them coming out of a movie? Was. Was there ever a marquee with the movie the bells of St. Mary's on it? [01:11:51] Speaker A: That sounds right. Yeah. [01:11:52] Speaker B: Because that was. That was movie she did with Bing Crosby. So maybe they were coming out of that when she said they were, because it was 1946. [01:11:58] Speaker A: So it wasn't 41. [01:11:59] Speaker B: Right. Okay. [01:12:00] Speaker A: It was 46 when the Godfather, when that scene took place. So. Yeah, but it's funny she mentioned Ingrid Bergman, but. Yeah, that's true. [01:12:05] Speaker B: No, no doubt, no doubt. [01:12:07] Speaker A: And actually, the horse head was actually played by Bob Denver senior, believe it or not, folks. I'm sorry, if you're not. If you're not. If you're not over four, you don't get that joke. But what a dick. Gilligan's father played the horse head. [01:12:22] Speaker B: That is, by the way, I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you, that was my. One of my favorite things too, was watching that movie with Allison. And when that scene. You know, there's one thing when you're watching a movie with someone for the first time and you know what's coming kind of thing. When the guy sees the blood in the bed and she's like, oh, my God, he's still alive. Like, she's thinking he got shot, you know, or something. He got up. [01:12:42] Speaker A: No one sees that. [01:12:43] Speaker B: And when they pulled that off, she was like, holy. I mean, who's not fighting? That was amazing. I mean, you know, amazing. Awesome. [01:12:49] Speaker A: Awesome. One of the best, best scenes of all time ever. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Definitely. All right, well, now we're gonna get to it here. [01:12:54] Speaker A: Let's do it. Number one. Mine's no surprise. So I'll just come out and start spewing my. About The Godfather Part 2. Look, how do you top the Godfather? How do you top the Godfather? Brando's gone. Like, what do you do? You bring in Robert De Niro. That's what you do. All right, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and the, you know, the only movie they were in until he heat in. You know What? It was 19 years later. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Right, yeah. [01:13:21] Speaker A: And so. No, I'm sorry, 21 years later. Right, so. [01:13:24] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, Wasn't he like 90 or 91 or was it later? [01:13:27] Speaker A: He was 95. [01:13:29] Speaker B: Oh, it was. Oh, wow. It was that late. You're right then. Wow. Yeah. [01:13:32] Speaker A: Godfather two was 74. So. [01:13:33] Speaker B: Yes, like 21 years almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:13:37] Speaker A: But look, you know, and they, they raise the stakes both in terms of storytelling and both in terms of where these characters are going. Right, right. If Al Pacino had gone dark in the first Godfather, right, Which he clearly did, he took it to another level in Part two, man. Definitely not only as far as like, you know, just his, his sort of just like just cold hearted decisions for what he thought was what he needed to protect. But I mean, he was a genius, man. Like, the moves he makes in two are, you know, he just stepped it up. Same director, same music. So, you know, a lot of the same things that were working in a lot of ways, it's, it's similar to what we talked about with Lord of the Rings before, right? Like those two movies could have been filmed back to back. Yeah, they feel, you know, they, they feel like they've. They, they were. It's one continuous story. I mean, the juxtaposition of the De Niro storyline and the Pacino storyline. You go back and De Niro, if you haven't seen it, folks, Robert De Niro plays Marlon Brando's character younger. You get to see how Vito Andolini, who becomes Vito Corleone, how he rises to power in Sicily and then comes, you know, comes to America, makes his way, makes his fortune and becomes, becomes the dawn. It's it's, it's pretty crazy. It's, it's an amazing film. All the actors step it up again. Robert Duvall in particular is even better than he was in the first Godfather. I think he's, yeah, absolutely amazing in that you have the addition of Lee Strasberg and. Yeah, just, you know, some great, great additions to the cast. You get to see a real nice chunk of history in the, in the 50s, you know, with it, when they go to Cuba and Havana before, you know, before the revolution takes place. It's a, it's, it's a sort of a slice of, you know, slice of our, our planet that you don't really get to see that often. That part of Cuba slice my planet. What the. Am I saying? It's a piece of. It's a piece of, you know, our, our neighbors that you don't get to see a lot, you know, so really gate stuff. The ultimate betrayal, the ultimate decision at the end. What an ending. No doubt about the ending to the first one. My God, what an ending to the, to the second one. [01:15:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's longer. [01:15:42] Speaker A: You don't feel it. It's just phenomenal. I mean, I can't say enough things. We watched the Godfather, like I said, and then my brother and I were like, there's a part two. Like, holy, can you watch that tomorrow night? They're like, nah, you gotta go to school at some point. But, yeah, a week later or whatever it was, we watched part two, and like, that was, that was kind of it for me. Like, I think from the start, I was more into two than I was into one. [01:16:05] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:06] Speaker A: And it just kind of stayed that way. Like, if you, you want me to admit that that Godfather 1 is a tighter film, like, a tighter film, maybe I'll give you that. I mean, I, I, I can't say enough about part two. It's just, it's so good. It's so epic. It's so sprawling. It's such a great, great family tale, you know, and, and, and the way it comes together at the end and, and, and the very ending. Ending is, it's just, it's just great. It's just Michael sitting there just thinking about all the he did in his life, you know? [01:16:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Just taking it all in and contemplating it and kind of realizing it was. He didn't have to do it, you know, it's, it's, it's fascinating. [01:16:48] Speaker B: It's funny because it's one of those things where it's like, I, I've always kind of liked one Better than two. But like, the way you described it there is interesting because I feel like in a way, it's like, you know what? The one thing I don't like about one is there's no De Niro, you know, but then. But one thing I don't like about two is there's no Brando. It's like, it's so. It's so funny that. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Right? [01:17:06] Speaker B: He was my favorite character. I loved him. I loved. [01:17:09] Speaker A: We did too, because he was this hot. So me and my brother were like, oh, Sonny dies, that sucks. You know? [01:17:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:16] Speaker A: And I'm sorry, spoiler alert if you haven't seen the Godfather in the last 50 years. [01:17:18] Speaker B: But, you know, and it's funny too. Like, I tried to watch as adult, where I look at some of these people and I'm like, you know, I get not. Not so much Brando or even Pacino. I feel like I could relate to Sonny, Fredo, and even Robert Duvall. Like, I feel like there are times where I'm a hot headed fucking asshole, you know, But I'm also a scared little bitch a lot of times. And there's also times where I just kind of just sit down and listen and fucking, you know, take everything in. I don't know. Like, I loved. It's like we're talking about. I saw my Rocky before. Like, the characters are so fucking well defined. Like, they're so. Every one of them is so. And like I said, it's interesting to see De Niro. The idea of watching the. The father, you know, Marlon Brando as a. As a young guy coming into power and not making that like its own. It could have probably easily been like its own movie. But the idea that with this. And you see Pacino, like you said, become more of a. Like, everything kind of just, you know, everything unravels around him. Not as he's doing all powerful things. He's also losing his family. You know, the scene with him. [01:18:13] Speaker A: Okay. [01:18:14] Speaker B: With the abortion scene with Robert Duvall, that whole thing was a great. All that whole. That whole thing was phenomenal. And then obviously everything with Fredo, you. [01:18:21] Speaker A: Know, let's not forget John Cassell. I mean, what a actor. [01:18:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:25] Speaker A: Like, this guy made four films in his entire career and then he tragically died early. He made the Godfather 1 and 2. Dog Day Afternoon in the Conversation, a movie that we almost watched this past weekend. [01:18:35] Speaker B: I saw the Conversation, actually. [01:18:36] Speaker A: I know you said it was decent. [01:18:38] Speaker B: Wasn't he in Deer Hunter as well? Or. No. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Five films. Yeah. I'm sorry. Dead right. Dead right. I. I like movies. I'm sorry. [01:18:44] Speaker B: I like the conversation. It was. It's definitely worth watching. It's a little slow and a little weird. Obviously, I wanted to watch it because Harrison Ford had had a small role in it. [01:18:54] Speaker A: It. Oh, okay. And fucking Apocalypse Now. [01:18:58] Speaker B: I think Robert Duvall's in it as well, too, at the end. [01:19:01] Speaker A: Let me check that out. At some point. [01:19:02] Speaker B: It was good. It was definitely worth the watch. But. But yeah, Jocko Sal. Yeah. Again, like I said, the acting, you know, it's. It's one of those things where it's like, it's hard to. It's hard to imagine anybody else playing the roles that were in that movie, specifically, you know, like Al Pacino, De Niro, and Diane Keaton. I mean. No, no. You know, and. [01:19:18] Speaker A: And you. And you have this movie. Just talked to the Godfather, how it's got these iconic lines, iconic scenes. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:19:22] Speaker A: The same thing for two. [01:19:24] Speaker B: Right? [01:19:24] Speaker A: You know, I know, I know. It was you, Fredo. [01:19:26] Speaker B: You. Oh, my God. [01:19:27] Speaker A: Right? Like. Like, hey, like, what a scene that is, right? [01:19:30] Speaker B: That whole. The whole rooftop scene, to me is just the best. I mean. Oh. [01:19:34] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. [01:19:35] Speaker B: That is when he's about to. [01:19:37] Speaker A: To kill the Don. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:19:39] Speaker A: On Chichio. That was a holy. [01:19:41] Speaker B: And when he kills. And when he goes back to Italy and kills that dude, that scene. [01:19:47] Speaker A: What's it. Andoline? No, no, no. What the. His name. It doesn't matter. Too many dons, too many dance. But yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Don Rickles. [01:19:59] Speaker A: He kind of looked like Don Rickles a little bit. His shape was Don Rickles esque. [01:20:04] Speaker B: Totally. [01:20:05] Speaker A: Again, I mean, it's like we're 60 years old. Like, we're, you know, people going, who the. Is Don Rickles? But, you know, that's all right. That's all right. We. We. We got a little of the past, a little of the future. We like it. But. [01:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:20:18] Speaker A: I mean, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's been my, you know, for a while. You know, Star wars was my favorite movie growing up, and, you know, but once I, you know, once I started watching movies in my teenage years, I mean, Star wars didn't get any worse, but. [01:20:32] Speaker B: Right. [01:20:32] Speaker A: I mean, the Godfathers, for me, it never got any better than that. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Now, how about your brother Drew? Where does he. Is he a die hard Godfather as well? [01:20:41] Speaker A: Yeah, in fact, I think he's. I mean, I don't think he'd say two is his favorite Movie of all time. But I think he does like two better than one as well. I think we both kind of took that. Took that trip together. You know what I mean? We kind of, like, enjoyed it along the same lines. And it was one of those things that, like, you know, it's one of those movies that, like, you know, every. Every time it's on, you watch. You know, every time it's on. It's funny, you know, my. My father and my aunt, you know, they both passed, but, like, yeah, every time one of them would catch it on tv, they'd call frantically. Godfather's on. It's on tbs. Put it on now. You know what I mean? Like, it's. They. And they know the other person's seen it 40 times, but you're still gonna, oh, my God, boom, it's on. And that's it. And that's. That's your son Sunday. [01:21:16] Speaker B: That's awesome. [01:21:17] Speaker A: That's it. You're watching the Godfather trilogy, you know. [01:21:18] Speaker B: So I love that. [01:21:20] Speaker A: Awesome. Spoiler alert. Godfather 3 is not on my list. I just said my number one. [01:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it did get nominated. [01:21:26] Speaker A: Movie. [01:21:26] Speaker B: It got nominated for best picture, didn't it? [01:21:28] Speaker A: Got nominated for a bunch of. It got on. We'll talk about this on another pod. [01:21:32] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [01:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it definitely got. Got on. And it shouldn't have. Quick Oscar note. So this was Robert De Niro's first Oscar. He won for best supporting Actor. As your buddy Joey, I want to say pointed out, he only has, what, three English lines of dialogue on the whole film? [01:21:47] Speaker B: Something like that. [01:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. So really amazing performance by De Niro. He won for that. Pacino was nominated again. Didn't win again. [01:21:56] Speaker B: Unbelievable. [01:21:57] Speaker A: That was 1974. I wouldn't guess at what one who won instead, but yeah, I can't imagine their performance is better than. Than Pacinos, but so it goes. [01:22:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. And what about. It's funny, like Talia Shire, Diane Keaton. I mean, Tyler Shire wasn't really in it as much, I guess. Right. I mean, as far as. [01:22:16] Speaker A: Not the second one. [01:22:18] Speaker B: Not the second one. Yeah. [01:22:21] Speaker A: Diane Keaton. I feel like she did get nominated for the first one at least. Right? [01:22:24] Speaker B: Or maybe I think she did for the first one. Yeah. So I'm looking. She did best actor that won that year. Art Carney for Harry and Tonto. [01:22:34] Speaker A: I remember hearing that. [01:22:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I've never seen that. [01:22:36] Speaker A: He did. He did a famous kick on the Oscar stage. Accepted his Oscar. [01:22:41] Speaker B: I remember that now. [01:22:42] Speaker A: Do you want the Harry Entanto? [01:22:44] Speaker B: Do you want the other nominees that year for best pitcher for best actor that Al Pacino lost for Godfather 2? [01:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:53] Speaker B: The other nominees were Jack Nicholson, Chinatown. Oh, Dustin Hoffman, Lenny, I guess he plays Lenny Bruce. Album. Albert Finney, Murder on the Orientation Express. [01:23:05] Speaker A: Never saw that original. [01:23:06] Speaker B: And me either. And R. Carney won for that. It's like, it's amazing that, you know, didn't win that. Like, it's hard to believe. [01:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I never haven't seen Chinatown. It's one of those movies that's been on my list for decades. [01:23:17] Speaker B: And the best supporting actress that year was Ingrid Bergman for Murder on the Orient Express. [01:23:22] Speaker A: Is that right? [01:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Funny. [01:23:23] Speaker A: Interesting. Very cool. [01:23:25] Speaker B: Funny. [01:23:26] Speaker A: Very cool. Yeah. I mean, those old Oscar racers are fun to talk about, you know. You know, I feel like they, they were more merit based back then. Yeah, but, and I've never seen Harry and Tonto, but I mean if his performance in that was better than Pacino, then I don't know what to tell you. [01:23:40] Speaker B: I know. Me either. I can't believe it. [01:23:44] Speaker A: All right, all right, baby. What do you got, man? Number one. [01:23:46] Speaker B: All right, well, any guesses from you there? Do you have any idea? [01:23:51] Speaker A: I mean, it's you, it's your number one best pitcher of all time. You already talked about Sound of Music and Casablanco. Like what the fuck else could be out there? [01:24:00] Speaker B: I believe, I believe this was on your list. [01:24:02] Speaker A: But tell me, the demo, what's the year? [01:24:05] Speaker B: This is Nice is on my list, I believe so that I for, for you to watch. This was ironically enough. [01:24:11] Speaker A: Oh, oh, your list for me to watch. [01:24:13] Speaker B: Yes, it was the best picture the year in between the Godfather and the Godfather 2. [01:24:19] Speaker A: Oh, the Sting, of course. [01:24:20] Speaker B: Sting. Yes. Yeah, I, I, yeah. My again said this is what we grew up with. My father showed this to us and me and my brother fucking absolutely fell in love with this movie. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Awesome film. [01:24:31] Speaker B: I can't, I, it's, you know, I'll never, that will. It's gonna be hard for that ever to come out of my number one spot. Like, I fucking love this movie. [01:24:41] Speaker A: Is it your favorite film of all time? [01:24:43] Speaker B: It is not my favorite film of all time, but that's another list I would like to do. I don't know if it would be top five. It's definitely my top ten ever. There's no question about that. But I, that'd be a good list. I had to put that together. But this is 100%. Yeah, obviously. Paul Newman, Robert Shaw, Robert Redford, you know, and it wasn't until Years later, believe it or not, that I found out that the guy that wrote this movie wrote Major League. [01:25:09] Speaker A: What? [01:25:10] Speaker B: Yes. How crazy is that? No. Swear to God. How. Cry. That is unbelievable to me. Like, I wasn't. I mean, we love that movie, too. So what are we doing here? Right. [01:25:17] Speaker A: Of course. And do a top 10 major league line. Lines. Top five major league of lines, if we wanted to. What? Who wrote it? Who wrote it? [01:25:26] Speaker B: I'll get the guys, you can look. [01:25:28] Speaker A: It up, and then we can edit it out if you want. [01:25:31] Speaker B: David S. Ward. [01:25:33] Speaker A: David S. Ward? Never even heard of that name. He wrote. He wrote the Sting and then Major League. Tell me he wrote nothing in between. How great would that be? [01:25:40] Speaker B: Well, I'll give you some of the movies he did write. Apparently he was a writer on Sleepless in Seattle, which I don't know if he wrote that. I thought Nora Ephron wrote that, but I guess she directed that. [01:25:51] Speaker A: She directed it. [01:25:52] Speaker B: I think he wrote the. The Program. [01:25:55] Speaker A: The football movie. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:57] Speaker A: With James Caan, right? [01:25:59] Speaker B: Yeah. King Ralph never saw that one. He also did By a Car after. [01:26:05] Speaker A: He did this thing. [01:26:07] Speaker B: He wrote the Sting, too. I've never seen this thing, too. It's one of those where I'm like. [01:26:11] Speaker A: Nah, I heard it was not good. [01:26:12] Speaker B: That's what I heard. So, yeah, out of curiosity, I do want to check it out at some point, but sure. But yeah, and it's funny because. So there's another one that it took Scott Joplin ragtime music, which I had never really heard. And then they. They really. Marvin Hamlisch, I guess, is the guy that won the Oscar for music that year. Like, updating those. A lot of those old songs, like you said, the entertainer. Yeah. You know. [01:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:35] Speaker B: But it's like. It's just. There's so many great scenes in this and so much great dialogue in this. And it's another thing, too, that. That I couldn't help but think of the Sting when we were working at the Garden State Film Festival and we saw that movie. I love that movie. Seven Days to Vegas. Remember? [01:26:50] Speaker A: Love it. Yeah. [01:26:51] Speaker B: It's all about the con. It's all about, you know, guys. [01:26:54] Speaker A: Vincent Van Patten, right? Yeah. [01:26:55] Speaker B: Yes, Vincent Van Patten. Yeah. Who was very nice, by the way. Yeah, it was Jimmy Van Patten. No. Dick Van Patten's son. And he had another son that was in the movie as well. [01:27:04] Speaker A: James Van Patten was in there, too. Yeah. [01:27:07] Speaker B: I think you're right. [01:27:08] Speaker A: James is the one who does the World Poker Tour announcing, I think. [01:27:10] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:27:11] Speaker A: James Van Patten is a World Poker Tour announcer. And then Vincent Patton was the one we met at the festival. Yeah. [01:27:15] Speaker B: Oh, wow, That's a great movie. Yeah, that was great. But it made me think of this thing because, you know, it has just all these great scenes of people getting one over on the other guy, and it has so many great lines and it's. You know, I don't know how to describe it. It's funny. It's. It's charming. It's. It's got. It's like that old 1920s, 30s Chicago feel. And, you know, it's funny. Ray Winston plays Ron. I'm sorry. Ray Walston's, I think, is the old Walston. Yep, he was. You mentioned a movie that I was thinking of before you said Fast Times. I think. I think he was in that movie because I never saw that. [01:27:51] Speaker A: He was the teacher. Yeah, yeah, he was Mr. Hand. [01:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he plays one of the guys in this thing. He's the one that reads the horses and the fake. Fake horse races that are going on. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Is that why they casted him in Johnny Dangerous Thing? [01:28:03] Speaker B: That's another movie I got to revisit, by the way. I. [01:28:05] Speaker A: You do? You son of a. That movie. That movie was made for someone like you. I can't believe you didn't like that. [01:28:13] Speaker B: I tell you, I wasn't in a bad mood. I gotta watch it again. I gotta. [01:28:16] Speaker A: You were in a bad mood. We must have forced it on you. And you weren't ready that day because Ray Winston. Ray Winston was the guy who. He was the blind guy who kept getting hit by the stack of papers. And he got his sight back. Then he was fine again. He's buying again. Okay, I could see, but where am I? You know, like that kind of shit. So ridiculous. [01:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah. But, yeah, it's one of those things where it's, like, you. For me, I could watch this movie a million times. And it's funny because my dad, when he was like, yeah, it's not this. You watch it once, it's never. You never get it back from watching it that first time. Like. No, it's like any other movie, of course. But it's like, you know, to me, I feel like I find new things every time I watch this movie. And, you know, again, there's, you know, like, Paul Newman. The scene when they first meet and everything. And Rob Redford says to Paul Newman, you know. You know, Luther said you could teach me. I already know how to drink, you know, because he's already. He's bombed in the Bathtub and everything, you know. And like me and my brother quote this movie so many times. My other friend, Scott, Tom, Jack, who, you know, we quote this movie all the time too. There's just so many moments that are just fucking. I don't know if it necessarily, I would say is iconic that people think of off the top of their head. Like it doesn't have a Horsehead moment or, you know, I don't know, it's nothing like that. I don't know why. Like, to me it's, it's, the ending line is great. You know, Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen this, by the way, if you haven't, you have to check this out. But you know, after they, after they get the revenge on Robert Shaw and Paul Newman's like, you're gonna stick around for your share. And Rob Reverend's like, nah, I'll only blow it. Like, he doesn't even stick around. It doesn't even stick around for the money. It's all about the revenge. Friend dying and I don't know, it's just, it just, it hits with me. It's like the time era, the, the music. I, I love this movie so much. Right. And what did you think? You know, you did like it. [01:30:03] Speaker A: You know, I loved. Here's the thing. That's that it got three and a half stars. That wasn't exactly a four star for me, but I remember this. It was probably the most fun film on your list. [01:30:12] Speaker B: Wow. Interesting. [01:30:13] Speaker A: Like it was probably like movie. [01:30:15] Speaker B: It is, let's face it. [01:30:16] Speaker A: I'm, I'm, I'm 20, whatever, 26, 27 years old. Right. You hand me a list of films from the 40s, 50s, 30s. Right? Right. [01:30:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:24] Speaker A: And so I, I, I got to gear up to watch it. Right? You got to be in the mood to watch movie. Definitely. [01:30:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:29] Speaker A: So a lot of them, even though I loved them, even like every time I put it on might have been a slog originally. You know what I mean? [01:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:36] Speaker A: But that movie, like, it's got so much energy. It's so much fun. Like the actors are clearly having a blast making it. [01:30:41] Speaker B: Right. [01:30:41] Speaker A: You know, Redford and, and, and Paul Newman are amazing. [01:30:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:46] Speaker A: The music, like I knew the music. Obviously I'd heard the Entertainer before, you know, so it was so much fun, so much fun to watch. You know, I, I'll be honest, I've only seen it the ones I don't remember a lot from it. I definitely want to watch it again. But. Yeah, yeah, see that, I get that, that's a, that's a, that's a good pick. I get it. I like it. [01:31:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's funny too because like you said, like, it's interesting. It's different. When you, like we were talking about like, what are the best movies ever made? Like, like, like this is not the Godfather. But like you said, it's just a fun movie. That's really what it is. It's just a fun movie to watch. I don't know how to describe it. You know what I mean? [01:31:19] Speaker A: And it's a classic. Like it is like, you know, it's, it's. I mean, I imagine it won the Oscar for music, right? Did it? [01:31:25] Speaker B: I, I know the guy that did the music. I know his name is Marvin Hamish. I don't know if they won. I guess it would have won. I don't know if they did score, I guess it would have won, right? It wouldn't be a song. Yeah, yeah, Good question. I'll see if I can find that real quick. But yeah, no, it's. It's one of those things where it's like when I, when I saw this movie for the first time, I was like, yep, yeah, this is, this is my jam right here. [01:31:49] Speaker A: Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is clearly a, a good time to tell you folks that this pod is clearly a chance for us to just talk about the topics that we're talking about. The top five is just a framing device. Cuz it's over an hour and a half we've been talking about our top. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Oh yeah, I know five movies. [01:32:05] Speaker A: Like, that's it. But I tell you what, man, that's why we love doing this. I love making the list, talking about it. I mean, this is kind of fun, you know, Definitely. There are so many other movies that, you know, I could have, could have put in here, you know, and more modern movies too. Like, you know, did the, the most modern movie on my list was what, like Chandler's list? Like. No, no, it was Return of the king in 2020, you know, 2003. But yeah, it doesn't mean there haven't been great movies and great best pictures in the last 20 years. You know, I mentioned, I mentioned Birdman, you know, Departed. I don't. Country for Old Men was, it was an honorable mention. [01:32:37] Speaker B: I don't know where you're making great films. I don't know where you landed on this one. But I was, I was a big, I was a big Parasite fan. I. That was, that was in the running for me. I love that. [01:32:45] Speaker A: That was Good. I don't think it was, I'll tell you that. [01:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:49] Speaker A: You know What I did 17 was very much better. [01:32:50] Speaker B: I actually did not see that. I got to check that out, actually. [01:32:54] Speaker A: But it was good. I mean, it was good. It was different. I, I think that was, I think that's another Shakespeare in Love, to be honest. [01:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Not as far as promotion, but as far as, like, it just caught fire at the right time. [01:33:04] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:33:04] Speaker A: Great word of mouth. You know, it's 2019 and, you know, it's great to be inclusive, and I think that it was part of it. You know, it was nice that we had a foreign film in there. There. [01:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:15] Speaker A: You know, But I mean, 1917 was pretty good, so. No, I, I, I didn't, I didn't love it. I liked it. [01:33:22] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, like you said. [01:33:23] Speaker A: But, but, you know, so, like. Yeah, but I mean, but, but I, I did love, love Spotlight. That to me is. [01:33:29] Speaker B: I haven't seen one of the most rewatchable movies. [01:33:31] Speaker A: Oh, really? [01:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I gotta see that. [01:33:33] Speaker A: That's one of the most rewatchable. You know, certainly one of the rewatchable Best Picture winners of the last 10 years. No question about it. But, yeah, like, you know, that was great. Like I said, Birdman was great. Yeah. A lot of 12 years of slave was a phenomenal film. A lot of great films. I wasn't crazy about Hurt Locker for talking about recent movies. [01:33:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't see. [01:33:52] Speaker A: But Slumdog Millionaire was a lot of fun. [01:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:55] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I mean, I, and I like Crash. I think a lot of people think it sucked, but I, I thought it had the emotional impact that it should have. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they're still making good films. You know, it just so happens that some of these are stuck in my head. [01:34:09] Speaker B: I know this is a little old. [01:34:09] Speaker A: I'm never gonna get the Godfather out. [01:34:12] Speaker B: How about Gladiator? Did you like Gladiator? [01:34:14] Speaker A: I did. Sure. [01:34:15] Speaker B: Love that. Sure. [01:34:16] Speaker A: Sure. I don't think Russell Crowe should have won Best Actor for that. [01:34:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:20] Speaker A: The funny thing is, is that they gave Russ. This is really when I started noticing that the Oscars were really just kind of like just glad handing each other. Right. So, like. [01:34:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:34:30] Speaker A: Russell Crowe probably should have won for playing Jeffrey Wigand in 1999's the Insider. Right, right. [01:34:35] Speaker B: That was great. Yeah, I, and I agree with you. [01:34:37] Speaker A: Great movie. Kevin Spacy wins for American Beauty. He was good in that, too. That movie kind of, you know, did well at the Oscars too. So. Russell Crowe doesn't win for that. So the following year, who should have won? Denzel Washington for the Hurricane. He was absolutely phenomenal in that. But they give it to Russell Crowe for Gladiator to make up for the. The Insider. [01:34:56] Speaker B: Right. And then. Then they gave it to Denzel for. [01:34:58] Speaker A: Then they gave it to Denzel for 20 days. 2001. Right. So it was kind of serious, silly, you know? [01:35:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:04] Speaker A: You know, Pacino should have won for five films before Son of a Woman. You know what I mean? I think he was good in Son of a Woman, but he wasn't. It was probably his 11th best performance. You know what I mean? So some of these things are, you know, and Harry and Tanto was probably like a career achievement award, you know, for. For Art Carney. [01:35:21] Speaker B: I guess so. Because it's interesting. Like, when you think of our Carney, the first thing you think of is the Honeymooners, obviously. And it's like, that's tv. It's not like movies. I can't believe that for. For someone like you said. But I. I guess they. They this. I don't know. It's very interesting that he won that. I. I'm curious. It's one of those things where I. There's no way you're gonna watch that movie and go, yeah, he should have won over Pacino. There's no way. It has to be a career thing. You know what I mean? Like, what the are we talking about? [01:35:42] Speaker A: But you know what I guarantee other people shouting at us like, hey, and you think Dances with Wolves should have won over Goodfellas? You're out of your mind. I guarantee that. I love Good Fellas. I love it. But I'll tell you what. That movie falls apart in the last 20 minutes. I'm sorry. It did. I still love it. I still love everything about it. But it went off the rails a little bit at the end. It was almost a perfect movie. [01:36:02] Speaker B: I agree. They should have made it half hour shorter. I always said the same thing. [01:36:05] Speaker A: 100. But talk about. I mean, De Niro is, you know, I. I know he's made a bunch of clunkers in his life, but when he brings it, man, he brings it. He's probably still my favorite actor of all time, man. You know, for my money, you know, maybe only Daniel Day Lewis can compare to him as far as, like, like, you know, again, in my era, I'm sure there's, you know, actors, and I never saw Lawrence Olivier in anything, you know, so who the do I know? But, you know, watching De Niro do his Stuff in Goodfellows or Goodfellas or Raging Bull or Godfather Part 2 or, you know, any number of films that he did. It's. It's pretty breathtaking. And like I said, he's up there with probably any, you know, probably with Daniel Day Lewis, who might. Who's probably the greatest living actor. Right. I mean. [01:36:49] Speaker B: I mean, it's hard to argue that. [01:36:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's hard to argue that. Right. [01:36:52] Speaker B: I. You know, I mean, I want to. [01:36:53] Speaker A: Watch a Phantom thread. We haven't seen that yet. That's one of the only Paul Thomas Anderson movies I've never seen, and it's one of the only Dan Deluxe movies I haven't seen. Phantom thread. I'm gonna check it out. [01:37:03] Speaker B: Really interesting. [01:37:04] Speaker A: Since we're talking about everything and everything now. [01:37:06] Speaker B: I know we're going on and on here, but. Yeah, that's it. [01:37:08] Speaker A: We. [01:37:09] Speaker B: We nailed it. We hit the top five Best Picture winners. What can we do? [01:37:12] Speaker A: Bottom lines? We got to talk about movies for an hour and 40 minutes, man. Man. What's better than. [01:37:16] Speaker B: Listen. What's better than that? Yeah, I mean, about to. We'll have to kick around some other topics, but we'll get back to the movies again pretty soon, you know, 100. [01:37:23] Speaker A: I think we. Well, we could tease what we got coming next. [01:37:25] Speaker B: Right? [01:37:26] Speaker A: We got a little. We're gonna take this a whole different way, folks. We're gonna do. [01:37:30] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. What is next? [01:37:31] Speaker A: We're doing our top five historical figures. [01:37:35] Speaker B: Figures. We are doing that. Okay. All right. I like that. [01:37:38] Speaker A: That was it. [01:37:38] Speaker B: All right. Nice. All right. [01:37:39] Speaker A: We're gonna zig and zig, baby. [01:37:41] Speaker B: So I have to be honest with you. I've been struggling there. I think I still have three. I need to get the other two going. I have three. [01:37:45] Speaker A: I got like 10 that got Whittle down. I got like, three guarantees. I got a whittle down. [01:37:50] Speaker B: Oh, see, I've. Oh, I like that. Okay, so you got some. All right, I got work to do here on that one. [01:37:53] Speaker A: Hey, brush up. Brush up on your history, folks. It's going to be fun. We're going to be talking some. Some Alexander the Great, some Napoleon, some, you know, we're going to be talking about Abraham Lincoln. Who knows? We're going to be talking about. [01:38:04] Speaker B: Listen, listen, that could be an hour and 40 minutes. Or it could be 40 minutes. We'll see what happens on that one. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Could be 2,000 years. Depends on how far back we go, Right? Right? [01:38:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:13] Speaker A: All right. Take us out, baby. [01:38:15] Speaker B: But. Yeah, let's. [01:38:16] Speaker A: Let's. [01:38:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's get out of here. Thank you very much for listening, you know, and I don't know what else to go with here, you know. Phil, anything else to add? [01:38:23] Speaker A: No, nothing, man. Thank you so much for listening. You guys are the best. Appreciate it. [01:38:26] Speaker B: Yes. We'll see you next on the next high five. God bless. [01:38:29] Speaker A: Peace.