Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello and thank you for choosing Men of a Certain Five. We're gonna break down top five everything from the world of pop culture and just the world in general. I'm Phil Rizzo. I'm gonna be joined by Brian Parks on this podcast. But a quick disclaimer. This podcast was originally called the High Five Podcast. We decided after recording a few episodes to change the name for a multitude of reasons. But yeah, now it's called Men of a Certain Five. So if you do hear us refer to it as the High Five podcast, please ignore that for the first few episodes. We think we have some good content. We didn't want to go back and re record the. Those episodes where we mentioned the High Five. So we're going to stick with it and we appreciate your patience. Listen, thank you so much for listening and yeah, we look forward to putting some pods out there for you.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Welcome, welcome to the show here. Welcome to another episode of Hot the High Five here. Thanks for joining us here. A little. Got a little nice top five list coming for you today. One we've been dying to get through for a while and hopefully you guys will enjoy it. I'm Brian Parks and I'm joined by my buddy here, Phil Rizzo. Phil, how are you?
[00:01:11] Speaker A: What's happening, buddy? How you been? It's been a while.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: No shit. It's been so long.
You know, obviously this probably would have been a good one to put out like right around late June, early July. But here we are, you know, we're.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Gonna, that was the plan.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: But you know what? Life gets in the way and we're gonna, no matter what, it's gonna be out there and people can enjoy it whenever they want to get involved, you know.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: No doubt, no doubt.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: So we are gonna be doing the, our top five Indiana Jones, you know, the, the order of our Indiana Jones films. And there are only five now that there are officially five. So we can, we can, we can make this happen.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: We can write the Five. I love it. Yeah, why not?
I mean, you and I have been into Indy for years and years. Right?
[00:01:53] Speaker B: No doubt. I have to be honest, I'm always surprised and shocked when I meet people that are. That they're like, eh, you know, to leave it, I'm. To me, it boggles my mind. You know, it just like, you know, it has everything. I don't know what, what, what, what, what does it not have? Especially for me, Not a spoiler alert here, but to me the first three films, you know, are kind of separate in their own way, in my opinion. But, like, I don't understand people that don't like those movies. I don't know. What do you think?
[00:02:18] Speaker A: I mean, I guess there are people who just aren't into action adventure. There are people who just didn't grow up in the, you know, early 80s. So they kind of didn't, you know, have the same, like, love that we had for it, you know, Like, I grew up, like, just wars in Indiana Jones. You know. It's kind of all I was into. And some people just weren't. I remember there were kids who weren't into that kind of stuff. You know, There weren't many of them, but there were a few.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: No, I know.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Like, you know, ah, no, thanks. I'm just gonna go practice the violin and play, you know, play dodgeball. I'm like, all right, fine.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, if that floats your boat, you know. Now, I gotta ask you this now. Did you ever get into the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, that other. That TV show thing? You ever watch any of them?
[00:02:54] Speaker A: Never. I never did. I always kind of wanted to, but I never watched one episode, to be honest. Did you? I think you watched a few, right?
[00:03:00] Speaker B: I watched one just to check it out, and it was kind of one and done for me. I watched the one because, actually Harrison Ford is in one episode as Indiana Jones.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: I think you told me that that might be worth watching just for, like, a sense of.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: It was very weird, but, yeah, it was. You know. I don't know how to describe it, but I was like, yeah, okay. I don't really need to get involved in this anymore. I don't know. It was just kind of like. I don't know.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: I hear you. I mean, I like. I like Sean Patrick Flanagan. He played. He played.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: He was good, right?
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he was good. Like, I liked him. He's a good actor. I like him. I like him in Boondock Saints and a few other movies. But, you know, it's a shame we couldn't get River Phoenix. I think it might have been a different ballgame if he had, you know, taken his role from Last Crusade and then went ahead and, you know, that.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Would have been cool.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: On the small screen. That would have been cool.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And in fact, the. The episode that Harrison Ford was in that I watched. I forget the name of it now, but it has to do with jazz. And actually, Jeffrey Wright plays, like, my favorite musician, Sidney Bechet, in the episode. That was pretty cool, but it was like. And there's another actor in there. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the Boy who Could Fly?
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Doesn't ring a bell.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: I was on HBO all the time. Fred Savage was in it, but the main actor there was in the episode. But anyway, it was actually a long. Was like an hour and like 40 minutes or something like that was pretty fucking long. Wow.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: Movie like, damn.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: And I was like, yeah, Harris of Force in the very beginning, in the very end, like he kind of does a flashback and you know, then you see him young as Sean Patrick Flannery, whatever. And then back to him at the end.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: But is it called Indiana Jones and the in the Untuned Trombone or what? Like it's about jazz. What the hell? What kind of indie stories that I forget.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: I think he finds a trumpet in the beginning of it, like in a shack or something like that and brings him back to like his jazz playing days or something. I was just like, you know, I don't know. It was okay.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: Starting to realize that's why we didn't watch this show.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: We bounced out of that. But, you know, the we now, I gotta be honest with you now, now the new one came out a couple months ago here. You know, overall, what do we, what do we think about? How do we feel?
[00:04:53] Speaker A: I mean, obviously we'll see where it ranks. But I mean. Oh yes, you know, I, I, you know, we, we didn't see it together, which, you know, we saw that. We saw Crystal Skull together.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: We didn't see this one together. Just didn't, you know, it wasn't in the cards.
And then we were putting off discussing it until we did this pot.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: I know. So. I know it's crazy.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: This is actually the conversation. Really.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah, we haven't.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: So, yeah, folks, we have not talked about this. You know, two good friends of love, Indiana Jones. We haven't talked about this. You know, personally. Right. This is the first time.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And to be honest, it's one of these things too where it's like I have only seen it the one time. I definitely want to watch it again to get. But so this is the fresh. Take off the one shot view of it and we'll see where we go.
[00:05:35] Speaker A: Yeah, man. Top five Indiana Jones. I'm pretty excited.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: I am very curious. I feel like our list.
I'm going to. I kind of want to write down. I have a guess as to what your list order is.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I got one for you too. I was talking about it last night with Jacoby, with a friend.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: And by the way, his top three was exactly the same as mine, which we talked about at length.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: Really interesting.
[00:05:59] Speaker A: Yeah. I have never met anybody who had the same top three as me, so we'll see.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Wow. All right, well, should we dive in?
[00:06:06] Speaker A: I think we should. Let's dive right in.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Enough, Enough here. Now, would you want to lead this off, or am I leading this off?
[00:06:11] Speaker A: Hey, man, I'll take it if you want.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: Take it away. Go ahead. Let's go.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Here we go, man. The top five Indiana Jones films. Okay, so my number five, no surprise here. It's going to be Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Okay, well, let's. Let's put this out of the way. I also, at the current time, have that as my number five. So. Go ahead.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: I figured. I figured that's why it's kind of no surprise. I feel like we were both gonna have that.
Yeah. So, I mean, you know, crystal skull in 2007, you know, you and I were both very excited for.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: Was. Right. Nine. It was. I can't remember exactly when I thought it was 07. I was okay.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was 08. You're right. Dead right. 08.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Oh, okay. It was in that area. Okay.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: 100%. 100%. 2008. But yeah, so. But we had been waiting for that for, what, 19 years then since, what, 89 was last crusade.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: So we didn't even know. And I think it's hilarious that you and I were making, you know, little sketches and jokes about Indy with a walker and back in 2008.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: I know.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: And then they made another one 15 years later.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: It's pretty bomb.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: But anyway.
Yeah. So Crystal Skull. So, like, you and I have talked about this in the past. Certainly. We talked about it when we definitely. When we, you know, saw it and discuss, you know, ad nauseam in some ways. But so here. So Crystal Skull was not as bad as everyone says it is. I don't think.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: I agree. I agree.
[00:07:25] Speaker A: It was kind of bonkers. I think the ending was kind of bonkers, which is weird because all the other endings were kind of bonkers, too. But for some reason, interdimensional aliens, like, it just didn't feel right. So that ending didn't sit right with me.
I'll say this right up front. I had zero problem with the refrigerator in the beginning. Zero.
I thought that was a perfectly valid Indiana Jones survival technique. And he's survived a lot worse, if you ask me in the. In the movies.
Love seeing Marion again. I mean, there's so much going on. Obviously, you know, but, you know, I kind of like what they were trying to do. Did they capture the same magic? No. No, they did not. As the. As the original trilogy. Absolutely not. The action was pretty well paced. Some of it was a little, you know, a little over the top, which is hard to do for an Indiana Jones movie. You know, once he was. This is the one part. I agree with all the criticism. Once he was swinging on the vines with the monkeys, I was. I was taken out of the movie a little bit. That was absolutely ridiculous.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:26] Speaker A: You know, and. Yeah, I mean, but other than that, like, I thought. I thought the action was tip top. I suppose the one reason it didn't fully click for me, if I had to pick one reason, Indy was measurably slow. Like, he was. He was clearly. And it's fine because, you know, Harrison Ford, God bless him, but I mean, his punches were clearly slower. His, you know, the reaction time was so slow, like he's an older dude.
And it didn't. It made the action sequences, at least the fisticuffs, a little unbelievable for me.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: But I like Clay Cate Blanchett. I like Shia LaBeouf. I thought he was cool, despite some criticisms. Like I said, it was great seeing Marion again. And, I mean, I don't know, it was an Indiana Jones movie, but clearly it was. It was number five for me.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I gotta say, I agree with some of the things you said there. I mean, I. I got. I mean, I gotta be honest. I know I've talked about this with some friends, too, about this whole thing with the refrigerator thing where I'm like. I don't know why certain things, I'm like, yeah, that's fine. I could buy it and then some. I can't. Like, I definitely don't have the problem with it that a lot of people do. But I also. There was just something about it that I was like. I don't know. I was. It wasn't like, if I had to list all the things that, you know, his narrow escape from death, that I. That would probably on the bottom for me because I just thought it was so fucking insane, you know, But. But out of all the things, I guess, that he has survived, I mean, is it as. I mean, it's almost like the jumping out of the raft in Temple of Doom from an airplane. Is that. Is that.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: That's what I'm thinking of. But that's what I compare it to when.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: I mean, it was so much. But to me, that was so much more fun than this. Like, you Know, I mean, he gets blasted into the goddamn sky. Like if he got blown away, it's almost like if the refrigerator went like a hundred yards, I'd be like, okay. But the fact that like he got blown the up into the sky and landed like I don't even know how far away and bounced down the hill and he walks out. Maybe if he walked, if he opened up the fridge and was like his leg is broken or something, like he's just totally fine standing up after that. I was like, holy. You know, And I gotta say, same thing. I loved Marion coming back, but I feel like once she was back, they didn't really give her much to do. I feel like, you know, she should have Bennett. I don't know what we wanted. I wanted something a little bit more tougher. Marion. Physical Marion. I feel like, to be honest, with the whole.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: She was in full mom mode. Yeah, you're right.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: And like the whole third act, there wasn't really a lot of things for any of them to really do. Like it. And Indiana Jones didn't really drive a lot of the other thing at the end. And I gotta be honest. Ya, I really didn't really mind Shia LaBeouf. I. The Mac character is the one that I couldn't stand. I mean, I don't know what this guy. I'm sorry, Mac.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Is it the French French dude.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: Not Jim Broad.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: French, not French.
[00:10:50] Speaker B: What was it?
[00:10:51] Speaker A: I called him Frenchie because he was Frenchie and departed.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: I can't remember his name, but I hear you.
[00:10:56] Speaker B: And I'm just like. Because. And I mean, I don't necessarily blame him. I don't know if it was just the, you know, the script or whatever.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: I'm like, you know, convoluted plot maybe.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah, triple cross, quadruple triple agent, whatever. And I gotta be 100. 100 with you with the alien thing. I was like, I can't believe they're doing aliens with this thing. To me. I was like, what are we doing here?
[00:11:15] Speaker A: You know, I mean, Lucas wanted to call it Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men for Chris sake.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Weird.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: I mean, just imagine that's it. Ray Winstone. Dammit. I could just. Who? I do. Like, who is good?
[00:11:28] Speaker B: No, he is. But I just thought the character was brutal in the movie, that's all.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: I mean, you know, Blanchard, I mentioned, you know, like, I mean her like her. Her purposefully over the top Russian accent I thought was, you know, she seems like she had a fun. He had a blast doing that.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: She did it. But but it's also another one where it's like. It's just funny how some of these villains that he has. I guess most of the villains he has aren't like physical threats. Do you know what I mean? Like, like if you think of like, like if he's gonna. If he had a one on one fight, the only one I did would give him a battle. Would maybe be molar on. Like, I mean he's gonna beat the hell out of Donovan or Belloc. You know what I mean? Like in Cate Blanchette, obviously she didn't have. I don't know.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: But.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: But again, I think it's more of the mental thing. The, the they have a. Like she. Her character was somewhat cool in that way, but I don't know, there was no.
Oh God, no, no, please. I was also. What'd you think about the ants in this one? That was a little dicey. The.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: See, I had no problem with that. That to me was the same as the. The rats in three or the bugs in two or the. You know what I mean? Like, that to me was just like another.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: But I guess, really, I guess it was the idea of them CGI and like the fact that they swallowed that guy whole and dragged him down an anthill, that seemed like. I mean, what are we doing here? I don't know. You know, I don't know.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: Maybe. I don't know, but I don't know think they'd be able to do that. But you know, then again, I don't think the light of God comes out of an arc either.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Yeah, we're not going for realism here. Yeah, well, what are we doing here?
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. I get it though. Like, I get it. Like, like that scene, you said it right? The cgi, right? Those monkeys, the vines.
Spielberg was flirting with that zoom in, zoom out action sequence. Think at the time that he. The same thing he did in War of the Worlds, you know, which looked. Which really worked in War of the Worlds, the scene where Tom Cruise is trying to escape with his family in the only car that works. But yeah, it didn't work so much in this. It was. Seemed like. Okay, Steven, you know, and I gotta.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Say, I'm gonna say another thing too. I. I wish. Another thing.
It was just this weird feeling during watching this film. I don't know, like you said, maybe because it was the length of time between the last one and this one.
And it was just like he seemed a little slower.
The alien thing, I don't know. But the very end was Another thing that people were talking about because he almost gives the hat. It's Almost like Shia LaBeouf almost puts the hat on when no one really wanted him to be the next thing.
But I keep thinking now, and I think we've talked about this this week. I know we probably have talked about, but we had this resurgence with Key High Quan or Kai, who played Short Round.
I'm always going to say his name wrong, I feel like. But he, He.
I almost wish he was the one that almost put the hat on. Like, I wish he would be the one to take it over now. You know what I mean? Instead of. Well, now I don't think anybody is, but I feel like that would have been cool if he was the one in that movie, that maybe rather than the Shia LaBeouf character. I don't know. I don't know what I feel like.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: When they cast Shia LaBeouf. When they cast him, okay, he was still like the hot actor, right? Like, you know, this was before even when they cast him. It was probably even before Transformers came out.
And.
And I. I feel like. Like it. Like they turned on him so fast that I feel like maybe they. They altered the ending because of it or.
Or they kind of knew and it was just a tongue in cheek. Like now, you know, we're just. We guys. It's not gonna be. There's nobody else. It's. It's just indie. Especially since Harrison Ford had said that, right?
[00:14:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Because when they were talking about, like, Chris Pratt, like, picking up the man, he was like, nah, he's like, I'm Harrison Ford. I mean, I'm. I'm Indiana Jones. That's it. You know, like, nobody else could play it. And he wasn't saying, like, I. I refuse to let somebody else play it. He's like, no one will accept anybody else as playing it. You know what I mean? And you know what? 100, right? Yeah, 100 right. I mean, you know, he's not as iconic as Han Solo.
You know, Star wars is probably more popular, but, yeah, like, Indiana Jones himself, that character is more iconic than Han Solo is. You know, Alden. What's his name? Heinrichson can play Han Solo and played him well. And I don't think the world was gonna, you know, was gonna Mutiny, but, you know, it's like. It's like when they replaced Bond for the first time, I wonder what that was like, you know?
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: When they were like, you know, they were like, george, who is gonna play, you know, Sean Connery's James Bond F you. You know, so. Yeah, so we both feel the same way about. About four, you know, like I said, I've watched it probably three times, and again, it's watchable.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely one of those movies I watch every time. I'm like, is this as bad as I think?
[00:15:36] Speaker A: You know, when Indy. When Indy is swinging on the rope in. In the cargo. In the beginning and the music's going, it's like, all right, this is. This is. It's Indiana Jones. I get it. Like, this is.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: You know, I'm enjoying watching this. You know, Harrison Ford is. He'll be charming when he's dead. You know what I mean? Like, he's charming no matter what he does.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: So, you know, it's an indie. It's an indie movie. Like, it's not, like.
Doesn't ruin anything else for me, you know, But. But it is what it is. It's number five for me and for you.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
Should we go to number four?
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Here, take it. You go.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Well, I. You know, I. I had to say Dial Destiny. What are we doing here, Phil? Where were you at Adonis?
[00:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the same. Yeah. So I think we all knew it was going to be four or five to start, so. And I.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: But I gotta tell you, I. I understand. I appreciate people and everyone has their own opinion. That's fine. But. But. But I. I laugh because I see somebody's. I'm on one of these fan pages on Facebook or something like that, and some of these people do their rankings and do all this other stuff, and they have this. They have Dial of Destiny. They put up into, like, the top three, maybe even as high as the top two. And I just think these people need to just let a few. Let a few months go by, calm down, and then reassess, because I think four and five have to be in the bottom of the five. No, I mean, what are we doing here?
[00:16:45] Speaker A: I mean, do they have to. No, but.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: I mean, they don't have to. Right. But they have.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: But. But I hear you. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like. Like, we. You and I, being the age we are, we got this, like, sort of. This sort of, you know, sanctimonious idea that, like, you know, these trilogies are, like, untouchable. Right.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: And I feel like fans do that with things that they hold dear. Definitely. Yes.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like Star wars trilogy, Indiana Jones trilogy. Really? Like, those were the only two for a while, you know. I mean.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: You know, I threw The Godfather in there a little later, but, you know, the third one, who cares? But those were, like, growing up. That was it. Like, that was my Bible. Right.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: You know, and then, I mean, obviously since then, you know, Lord of the Rings and that kind of, you know, there's been other trilogies that were really, really good, but I think, like, those two, at least for people like you and I, they hold that special place. Whereas, you know, I should say, whereby if anyone tries to, like, say, oh, I thought five was, you know, almost as good as, you know, Raiders. And it's like, you know, you. You know, that's not. Doesn't have to be that way. You know, some people just accept it differently, you know.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:44] Speaker A: For me and you, though, clearly, because we do have, you know, four and five in our five and fourth spot. Respect. So, you know, so. So, yeah. So go ahead. Why is. Why is Dial of Destiny number five? What did you think of it overall?
[00:17:56] Speaker B: You know, it could be a thing that it just fresh it came out and, you know, it's coming off Crystal Skull. I know a lot of time went by, but I just. I guess for me it was just the idea of. I was happy that they did another one. I wish it wasn't so long in between. Obviously. Same thing with Crystal Skull. I wish they, you know, but just thought it was a fun movie. I thought it was fun all around. I felt like he, you know, I mean, I have a lot of issues with it too, but I just felt like you could tell that almost similar to Chris Go that he. He was so into doing this. He was dying to do this. Now, I know it was different perspective too, because it was James Mango, not Spielberg. But I feel like the same like you were talking about Crystal Skull is to me, it did feel like an Indiana Jones movie. It had a lot of action scenes. I thought there was some good touching moments, some humor and, you know, I don't know, I mean, overall, to me, I just thought it was a fun experience. I don't know, maybe a little too long. I mean, you know, and as you said, bonkers. How much more bonkers can we get than the ending in this one? But, you know, what are we doing here?
[00:18:47] Speaker A: You know, you can. I was shocked that they had kind of earned it, though, like, in the theater. I was like, no fucking way. Really? But I was like, it wasn't like at the end of four when I was like, ah, no fucking way. Like, shit, they're gonna end it. Like, that was this one. I was like, holy shit. They're really going for it. But it kind of, it, it kind of worked and yet OD enough. While I'm thinking about the two, just a quick side note, like, I feel like, and this is, this is weird to say, but I feel like four was actually more of an quote unquote Indiana Jones film than five was.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: I agree with you there.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: No, I agree sense to you.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Yes, I agree with you.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: Like maybe because it's so far removed.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Like this one could be one a few months later I might be like, you know what? I like Crystal Skull a little better. Like I could see myself flip flopping with these two. But, but like this one, I gotta be honest with you. I mean, I was thinking about the opening, like act like with this. To me, I thought it was like a Polar Express movie. A little bit, a little bit too much with the cgi. But that story of the beginning, I loved. I wish that was a real life. I wish they did that in like the late 90s or something. I don't know, you know.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Agreed. I love the story. I didn't mind the de aging. Did it. Did I notice it a bunch of times. It. Did it take me out of the movie? Yeah, kinda. But I think for the purposes if I suppose, like it was somebody who never saw the movies and they were watching it, I think they'd be fine with it. I mean, if it was like a, you know, if Emma, my daughter was watching it, she'd be like, you know, she wouldn't even notice that it was cgi, I don't think.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: We've been staring at Harrison ford's face for 40 years, you know, I mean, so. Yeah, we wouldn't, we, we just, we just know the difference. Same thing with Princess Leia in, you know, Rogue One. True. But the beginning, the only thing that bothered me at the beginning really was just a dumb way in which Mads Mikkelsen got knocked off that train.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Like, oh, and then, and then comes back later like nothing happened.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Dead.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah, like, oh my God, get why.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: They made it so harsh, you know, and we joked about this when I showed you the, you know, the, the, the YouTube the pitch beating where he's like, yes, he just didn't believe it. No, no, no, he's dead. No, he died. There's no way. And it's true. Like, why make it so harsh? Why not?
Why let him get knocked off the goddamn train? Isn't it look like his skull was fractured.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: They could have did a million things. You're so right. And you're Right. It's so, it's so funny to me where it's like, I gotta be honest with you. Like that was probably more ridiculous to me than the fridge thing in Crystal Skull, you know, I mean like that was insane that that guy didn't either get decapitated or if they of injury later on, you know what I mean?
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Like 100%, 100% agree.
100% agree. It was, it's ridiculous. A simple choice could have made that whole beginning sequence a little more believable. But like, that being said though, I agree. I liked story wise. I liked it. I, I, I liked how they set it up. I liked how they put a little history behind it. I like how they filled in some gaps that weeded, you know, in, in the long stretches between films. Right.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: Thought that was kind of cool.
Yeah.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: Then, and then what you think about now? I gotta be honest, like a Phoebe Waller Bridge. Her character was, you know, I was kind, I liked it at times and sometimes I was like, I don't know about this, but most problems I had was, but that I felt like it was almost her movie. And I was like, are we, you know where I was like, this is supposed to be Indiana Jones and not this woman or Helena. Am I saying the character's name? I don't.
What did you, how do you feel about that? Was there too much of her driving things or am I, am I over exaggerating that, do you think?
[00:21:54] Speaker A: She did drive a lot of it. Disclaimer. Love Phoebe Waller Bridge. So, yeah, I went in, I went in love in every minute of her before I even got in there. I love Fleabag. I like to run, I love to run Broadchurch. Yeah, I think she's, you know, she's really, really amazing. So I didn't mind her being in it. But that being said, yes. So she did drive some of the story. It seemed like it was like, you know, talking about passing the torch to Shia LaBeoufra. This seemed like this would be a pet, just a built for passing the torch to her.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Right, Definitely.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Which I think they might be, they might have been trying to feel out to see the reaction but maybe, you know, Harrison Ford himself wouldn't be like, hey, you want to make it a woman? I get it. You know, it's not Indiana Jones, it's, it's the character, you know, Helena, whatever, like you said, which I think it.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Would have been with any of the other ones if they did it with Mutt or if they did it with short round, like, you know, it doesn't have to be.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Right. I guess I was going back to the Chris Pratt thing, but. Yeah, you're dead. Right. Yeah, yeah. Of course they wouldn't. Why would Mutt be called the Daniels? Right. But, yeah, no, so I. I honestly, I didn't. I didn't mind her. I thought she was great. I thought she was great. And I like her presence.
I think she's, you know, just great, you know, great to look at. So. Yeah, no, I don't think she. She. I think she added to the story. I don't think she detracted from it.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I. I thought she was great, too. I just felt. Again, I just felt like the character was, you know, I don't know, like. Like I said, it was almost like. Like you were saying maybe it was the way they were feeling things out or whatever. I just feel like it was, you know.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: It'S almost like they have that movie convention whereby, like, you know, they're going to be partners, but they take too long to stop them fighting each other. Like, it's one of those things where you think that went on a little long.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: You know, like. All right, we get it. You're cat and mouse. You know, you're both rogues, you know, yeah, she's. She's running her own game. But, like, we don't need. Doesn't need to be an hour and 10 minutes into the movie before they're on the same side, working towards the same goal. You know, it was stressed. Stress. A little thin there, I thought.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: And then the. Yeah, okay.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: No, no, please.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: I was gonna say the kid that she was with, too. I felt like the character was kind of interesting. There was a pickpocket. He almost had the same kind of upbringing that. With short round in a way. Right. But, like, give this kid any personality. Like, they didn't really give him much to. In the way of, like, a character, really.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: You know, I kind of didn't. Teddy. I remember his name.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Teddy. Right, right.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So they kind of didn't.
I mean, he was. He was a good kid, good actor. He seems like it was fun having him in the movie here and there and, you know, but. Yeah, I hear you. Like. Like, it seems like he didn't need him.
You know, they could have fleshed out that character a little more, made him a little more relevant.
Maybe they had him in there to humanize Phoebe Waller Bridge. I. I don't. I don't know.
You know, so. Yeah, so, I mean, overall, I think it worked. And, yeah, you know, we're skating around the issue of the ending.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we were gonna get.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Spoiler alert, everybody, we're gonna talk about the ending now. I, I never thought they would go for this, this huge, huge ending.
You know, time travel. Apparently you can do it.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I guess once you do aliens, what else are we doing here?
[00:24:45] Speaker A: Let's, I guess, I mean, you know, we've, we've seen the light of God. We've seen, you know, voodoo and dark magic.
You know, we've seen immortality granting chalice. I mean, yeah, it isn't that. You know, in some respects, time travel is more possible than mortality, you know, scientifically speaking. So it shouldn't be that much of a. Of a, you know, loop. But at the same time when, when the plane is just flying around, you're like, holy. They're really doing this.
Historically, historically. Fascinating. I thought it looked great. What a great ending sequence. Action was.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:19] Speaker A: You know, and, and they were talking about the Greek.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: I forget the guy.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: I'll think of it. Yeah, I'll say.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: I'll try. I'm gonna try to look it up real quick, but go ahead.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: No, no. Yeah, so it was a nice. Archimedes. Yeah. I'll show you the Archie, the, the.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Ship from the comic from Jughead and.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: No, no, I'm sorry. No. So in.
Wow. I am freaking. I am losing it, man.
Graphic novel. Alan Moore. Jesus Christ. Watchmen. In the Watchmen, you know, the night owl has. His ship is called Archie, named after Archimedes. I was trying to think of that.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: Okay. And yeah, that was a long way to go to tell you I'm a. Idiot. So thanks.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: Well, I'm glad we landed there.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: We did. I'm glad it was. You know, they used, they mentioned him in the whole, the whole film and you wouldn't believe that they were going to see the actual character at the end, but it was, it was a nice payoff, I thought, towards the end. Yeah. What did you think about. What did you think about the Indy not being allowed to stay like her? Just.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: I hated, I gotta be honest, I hated that whole thing. First of all, I didn't like him turning into like what seemed to me to be like a little bit of a there. It's like, that's not who Indiana Jones is. He's not gonna cry. Like, oh my God, I got that whole thing. I didn't like, I didn't. Her punching him out and all that. I thought that was a little ridiculous there.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: You know, when in the history of Indiana Jones has one punch Ever knocked him out, like.
[00:26:36] Speaker B: Well, that's true, too. Especially. I can't believe.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: I know he's 110 years old and he just got done, you know, getting ejected, whatever, you know, it's exhausting.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: Right?
[00:26:44] Speaker A: But I. I don't believe that if the bald guy by the plane, you know, can't knock him out in Raiders. I don't think.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: Well, I was.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: P.B. barlow Bridge can do with one punch.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: I was gonna say, especially from the angle he was just sitting at, where it's like, you know, he was just laying on the ground like, it wasn't like.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Like, it was just a weird angle to get knocked out from one shot by her. I was like, come on.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it was seemed like a quick, quick, easy movie trope to just kind of, you know, punch the camera. Camera goes black and, like, it's like, all right, come on.
[00:27:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: How about you write three extra, you know, lines of dialogue and just convince him to stay, you know, or to come back.
[00:27:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that. Yeah, exactly.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: Whatever.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Something like, now what? Now? Also, what do you think about the. I thought the last bit was. Was nice. I thought that was nice. With Marion at the end. Yes.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: Great way to end it. Great way to end the whole series, which I would imagine we did.
Yeah. Of course, he's got to be with Marion, you know, I like that. I always like Karen Allen. You know, there's that sense of completion from the first movie to this one. I like it.
[00:27:43] Speaker B: Now, what you think about. I thought it was a little. Everyone's always seen people feeling out the hat thing at the end when he grabs it off the clothesline there. Any thoughts on that, or should they have to come up with some other better button there?
[00:27:54] Speaker A: No, I think it's just a nice wink to the fans. Like. Like, you know, a nice wink to the series, you know, in general. Like, that's always been the thing. Right. For some reason, this hat just magically keeps coming back to him. He never loses it. Right.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: I feel like, you know, there's been so many instances in the whole. The whole run when. When he does that, I like it. I think it's just an extra, extra little, you know. You know, one more time with the hat.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm with you now. And what about our boy Salah showing back up, huh?
[00:28:19] Speaker A: That was great. That was the only time I got any kind of, like. Like, emotional nostalgic. Emotional was when. When Salah showed up. That was nice. It was really nice.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: To see him, definitely.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. John. John Rice Davies. Yeah.
[00:28:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Salah. Yeah. So, I mean, there you go. I mean, you know, I think we knew four. Four and five. We're going to be five and four.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Not now. Now are we. Are we gonna get into the three here now? Are we gonna. Are we gonna do this?
[00:28:46] Speaker A: I think we should do it because.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: I know that this is where it's going to start to diverge here. I know that.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Of course.
With this one right now, I would imagine.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: I think so. Yeah. So go ahead, take it away.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: All right. My number three, which is not your number three, is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
The actual number three is my number three.
Yeah. So, I mean, look, this trilogy is untouchable, so anything we, you know, say past this point is just really picking nits.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: I totally agree with you there. Yes.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah. But I mean, I was a freshman in high school when this came out, and I couldn't wait.
You know, it had only been five years since Temple of Doom, but I was, like, so pumped, right? You know, saw the movies with friends, you know, you're old enough to go with your friends, get dropped off by your parents and Indiana Jones and, you know, who didn't love Sean Connery at the time? It was just. It was just a great.
Certainly the funniest of the three, without a doubt.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: I think. Yeah. I mean, I think. I think what great chemistry we had between Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. I think it was perfect.
Yes. You know, it brought it back from number three, thinking that it was going to be the. The end of the. You know, to close out the trilogy. You know, you bring the Nazis back. It's. It's linear. You know, Temple of Doom was a prequel, so, you know, this is kind of a continuation of Raiders in a lot of ways.
Just great history, great lore, great. A great adventure to embark upon.
You know, I'm sure we're going to talk about, you know, the female lead in this one.
Perhaps the hottest of the three, but certainly not the most fleshed out. Um, you know, good villain in Donovan. Not as good as, um, you know, Mulra or, uh, or Belos at that point, but, uh, you know, I mean, what can you say about three? It's hilarious. It's got some iconic moments.
I mean. Yeah, I'll let you take it for a while, but it's just. It's, you know, it's the Last Crusade. It's fucking awesome.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you know, I was gonna say. I can. Should I do My number three. Or should I go on with number two?
[00:30:47] Speaker A: Oh, you know, if you have any comments about what I said, go for that. And then if not, yeah, just jump right into your. To your number three.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I'll, I'll chime in when I get there. So I'm gonna. But I gotta say, you are so right with the idea how close these all are, in my opinion. And it's one of these things where I could flip flop them prob probably every day. And they. To me, these are movies where it's like if I'm flipping through the channels and one of them's on, I might probably hang out till it's over, you know, I mean, like, it doesn't matter where they are, like. But I, for me, I've always had Temple of Doom as, as my number three. I gotta say, ironic. This is the first one I ever saw on a buddy of ours that lived downstairs from our apartment. Peter Kim had it on VHS and we checked it out and fell in love ever since.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: I'm not sure I knew that actually.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I know and I know, like to me, I, I know you're gonna get involved in this one as well, but it's just like, I mean, to me it's the most unique movie out of all of them because it's, it's like its own adventure. There's nothing that really ties these to the other movies except that Indiana Jones is in it. You know what I mean? You know, we get a completely new new female lead, completely new sidekick, completely other villains.
There's no college, there's no school in the beginning, it's a musical opening and it just, it's just right away you're taking off to this whole adventure, you know, and true. When I was a kid, I always felt like when he first gets to the village there in India, that I was like, you know, this is a little slow for me. But as an adult, I love it. I love all that. That the guy that plays that Indian priest in the, in the village there, I love that actor. That guy was.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: You and I have, you and I have done impressions about for decades.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: Oh man, that guy was the best. And then, you know, and then, and then once they do get to the, the temple, you know, especially the temple itself, that whole thing, like, we've talked about this many times too. It's like the last 40 minutes of that movie is just like, you know, an action fans fucking orgasm. Like what are we doing here? You know what I mean?
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Incredible.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Really, really awesome. It's Another movie where it's like, this is just so much fun. I don't know how to describe it, you know?
Yeah.
This is also the only one I didn't. I've never seen on the big screen and did not see this. Now, I didn't see Raiders in the theater either, but I saw it later on. Is like, they bought some other movie. Theater was playing it as, like a. You know, I didn't see it when it first came out, but I did see Raiders later on in, like, one of these. You know, bring back a classic movie thing or whatever. But this one I've never seen in the theater. I would love to. Love to have done that, but. And I gotta say, my favorite cursed line in any. Might be of all time in any movie is when he's on the bridge by himself and he sees all of them coming at him at the same time. Oh. Like, just to himself. I love that.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: That. That got a huge laugh in the theater.
[00:33:27] Speaker B: I remember when. I'm sure it did. It must have seen it.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: It was so. It was. Everyone's like. Because everyone's like, what the.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: How's he gonna get out of this thing right now? Yeah.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: And. And it's funny you said, because I. I. Same thing with Raiders. Like, I did see Raiders in the theaters, but not until years later. Like, I took my nephew Joey to see it not too long ago. A few years ago, I was playing right here, right around the corner. So I was like, yeah, let's go see it.
I was. Yeah. My father, like, I got into it when it was on, like, hbo. That's when I got into Raiders.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: Right.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: Growing up. And then we both. My father did too. And then we all. You know, and my brother, we all went to go see it when it came out in.
You know, in 84, when Temple Doom came out of the theaters. We all seen it. Which I have to imagine Drew might have been a little too young for it. My brother, you know.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: He's probably like.
He was 8 when we went to see it, so it's kind of young for that movie.
[00:34:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: Tearing hearts out. Out. And that's funny because that was.
That was PG 13, right? Wasn't that.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: I think that was the one. I think that was the one that kicked off the whole PG13 thing.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: I think it did. Yep. Yeah. That was the first. I feel like that was the first PG13 movie.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:28] Speaker A: But, yeah, no, see. All right, I got you. Temple of Doom. Yeah. Maybe we'll be talking. I mean, we say that like, we don't have. You know, it's a finite list. Of course, we'll be talking about it more later.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: We will, we will. But let's level. We can hop on to number two here. We'll let you get, you know, Go ahead, number two now.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: I'll take it. My number two. And here's the shock. Raiders of the Lost Ark is my number two. Not a shock to Bomber. He's known this for years. But yes.
Yeah. So look, I guess, you know, I can't talk about Raiders being number two without talking about Temple Doom being my number one. But we'll stick with just Raiders for now.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:35:03] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, it's Raiders. Like it's. You know, I grew up with Raiders. I watched it almost as much as I watched the first Star wars movie. Right. So, you know, I was on Indiana Jones non stop. You know, I had the figures. I'd hang out with my friends, we'd play Indiana Jones.
My buddy Dave and I did a, we did an extra credit report for social studies where we researched the Ark itself and I brought in my, my little toys and I was using them as like, you know, as props. We got, we got an extra credit for doing that. It was just so much fun to do.
So we'd go, yeah, we'd go over and sleep over each other's house and we just watch. We'd watch, you know, Raiders.
I mean, you know, I didn't realize it as a kid. What a game changer. Raiders was for cinema.
But I mean it was. Yeah, but as far as I was concerned, like, it was just, it was just a super, super fun movie with an awesome hero and he gets the girl and he saves the day and it's like, you know, it's just, it's just a popcorn swashbuckling fun time. It's just, it's just a great all around movie. Almost an unlimited amount of like classic lines and scenes and you know, gestures and I mean it, it, it just, it just completely reshaped action adventure, you know, for the next, the next 20, 25 years.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: So, yeah, Raiders. Of course.
You know, I'll explain when I get to my one why it's only. Why it's two. But I mean it could easily, could easily be one.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Nice. Well said. All right, all right, I'll. I'll let that sit there and I'll go to my number two, which is Last Crusade. You know, There you go. I mean, you know, I was gonna say for this, like I saw this in a movie theater. I was 10 years old. My sister Joan took me and my brother to see it. And Yeah, I mean, I, I, like you were saying with, with Temple of Doom, with the laughs. Like, I remember all the laugh lines that were there in the movie and how they were just roaring, you know, from the.
Even in the beginning when he goes, everybody's lost but me. The crowd, like, it was like we couldn't. That was like, you. We wish four would have been like that. You know, I mean, like, because we were just. I mean, who do. I loved every minute of it. I was all Die Hard. I mean, you know, at that time, Raiders and Temple of Doom we had seen, so we already were in love with it. So here comes this movie and like you said, definitely the funniest one out of all of them.
And, you know, it just has, like, it's another movie. I could watch it, I could quote it and I can. Another great list would be. Can you even try to think about the movies you've seen the most in your life? You know what I mean? Like, this would probably be up there for me. I can't imagine how many times I've seen this movie.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: It's just, it's just ridiculous. You know the Marx Brothers line, We always, we always love that. You know, the action scenes.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: You know what? I'll admit this to you. I didn't know who the Marx Brothers Brothers were.
[00:37:33] Speaker B: You didn't. I know that. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:37] Speaker A: But now it's, it's. Yeah, you and I, we quote that line all the time. It's hilarious.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And I thought the action scenes were good. I thought not. Probably not as good as the first two. But the action scenes, to me, were good enough. And then the ending, I, I, you know, the penitent man will pass. It's funny. Like as a kid, kind of both endings of Raiders and Last Crusade, I was like, you know, Temple of Doom has the best ending because there's action, I guess. I don't know. You know what I mean? Where it's like, like once he gets into the cave, I'm like, I don't know. We gotta watch all the booby trap. But now as an adult, I love it. I love that whole section. It's just awesome.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: It is pretty cool. Like one of the best visual effects, you know, maybe.
I don't know if that was a practical effect or not. But when, when he takes the leap of. The leap from the lion's mouth, you know, that was pretty cool.
I was like, what the happened? And then when the camera, you know, spun around, you're like, oh, that's so cool.
Yeah, yeah, that was good.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: Definitely.
And. Oh, God.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: No, no, no, no.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: I was gonna say, I think one of the biggest laughs I remember in the whole movie theater or whole movie was when. When Sean Connery shoots the plane and goes, son, they got us. You know, that was just. Man, they roared at that one. That was great.
[00:38:44] Speaker A: Which is immediately followed by. It doesn't get any closer than that. And then, you know, so you get two big laughs, like, right after one another, you know.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Really good.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: A lot of Bond connections in this one, right? You had Allison Doody, you have, you know, you had Salah, you got Donovan, and you got Sean Connery. Right?
[00:38:59] Speaker A: 100. Yeah, no doubt about it. And I'll tell you what, you know, I think you're missing what I think is the funniest, you know, joke in the whole. The whole movie is the, you know, talk about Marcus, you know.
[00:39:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that was great.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: With any luck, he's got the Grail already. And then when they smash cut to him, just. They don't want to speak English, you know, like, the theater lost it, too, and that it was so funny.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: And I might have told you, I listened to this Indiana Jones minute podcast. These guys do a great job with that. They dissect.
And almost all these three guys hosted, and they all hate the idea of what they did to Marcus's character in this one and how they, you know, he kind of made him a buffoon in a way, you know, And I gotta admit, I kind of liked that they did that because, first of all, I thought he was hilarious. And like, we've talked about this before, too, was like, he didn't have a major part in Raiders. I mean, the character is great, but, you know, to me, it wasn't. Was it that big of a deal that they made him kind of a little bit of a goofball, you know, I mean, and plus, it seemed like he enjoyed really doing it, you know.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: I think he did. Not to me. And you know what? If he wasn't that character, he wouldn't have been in the movie. Like, they needed that comic relief. They needed.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:01] Speaker A: You know, they needed to indeed have somebody else to save for someone for Henry to bounce off of.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: And I love.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: If it's not for him being like that, he wouldn't have had a part in the movie. Really.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: And I love. I love the idea that they had Marcus and Salah all together with them on this whole thing. I thought that was, that was great. I mean, you know, and another great one was the, you know, this is how we say Goodbye in German, Dr. Jones, you know, and he punches him. I mean, come on. It's great, Great.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: Nice call back to that. You know the shot from Raiders, right, when Marion punches him for the first time.
[00:40:32] Speaker B: Yeah, right, exactly.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that, you know, that, that, that's since been another iconic thing taken from the Indiana Jones trilogy. You know, Jack Sparrow, you know, that's famous for getting hit like that, where the cameras, you know, he turns right to the camera when he gets. You know, I will say this, like, the third movie probably has the most quotable line. Maybe, maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. You tell me.
There are people who say things you have chosen poorly, even when, like, they don't know where it's from. You know, I mean, people just, they just, you know, when there's a choice to be made and someone chooses wrong, you almost always see that meme.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: You know, you're right about that. That, that is definitely a line that people definitely, definitely quote. Yeah, I don't know if it's the.
[00:41:11] Speaker A: Most quotable, but it's. It's up there.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: Definitely from that movie. I would say it's got to be a. You know, that movie.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: Sure. I was, I was saying the whole trilogy, but I mean, you know, who knows?
[00:41:19] Speaker B: No, maybe even the whole trilogy. Yeah, you know, maybe. Definitely up there. And we. I don't even talk about the whole beginning sequence. River Phoenix, all that. That was very cool, I thought.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: Oh, shit. We didn't talk about that. You're. I didn't talk about it, but, yeah, that was phenomenal. I love that.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Thought it was, you know, And I love that, you know, they, they tie everything in later on with the fact that his father's speaking. Was it, you know, different languages or. He's already looking at diary and Latin.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: Latin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's awesome. And like, you know, Greek.
Didn't he have him do it in two when he started counting? Oh, yes, he did say in Greek, I think.
[00:41:55] Speaker B: So right here I am saying. I've seen it a million times. We quoted. Now I can't remember.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: Yeah, here you go. We're still idiots, folks. Doesn't mean just we watch much times.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: We know, yeah, what are we doing? But.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: And you know, who doesn't? You know, I like that they sort of, you know, meta.
You found out how Indy got. They use Harrison Ford's real life scar.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: Right.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: You know, as an origin. We got whipped. You know, we first Learned to use the whip. I mean, pretty cool.
[00:42:18] Speaker B: I.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: It is.
[00:42:18] Speaker B: It's also funny that they made. They gave you all the trademarks of Indiana Jones, how he got all these trademarks in, like, five minutes. Like, you know, I mean, like, what a day this guy had.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: You know, one fateful night. Yeah, exactly.
I'll tell you what, though, When. When young and he picks up the whip for the first time, who doesn't? Like, who's. Who's. You know, my goosebumps were going like, you know, oh, that's so cool.
You know, this is. I mean, it is what it is. So that's the difference between, like, a moment like that working in a moment like that not working. Right. Like, sometimes a moment like that would just be lost. It's like, okay, oh, the whip. I get it. But now you're like, oh, that's where we got the whip. You know, I mean, like, as a kid, you were so into it.
[00:42:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:53] Speaker A: Because, you know, they didn't. They didn't overplay their hand, but at the same time, it was cool.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah, very cool. All right, well, let's. Let's get the number ones out of the way here.
No surprises here. Take it away.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: No surprise. Well, yours is Raiders, mine is Temple of Doom. Like, you mentioned it before, Temple of Doom. Like, I guess people today would call it a side quest in a video game. Right. Like you said, it's so different. Such a departure. Yeah, from the other films, looking back.
And you mentioned, too, like, you talked about James Bond. Right. It's funny you say that because like. Like James Bond, like the best Bond movies, the recent ones, broke that formula to some extent.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: He has a cold, open action scene, then he goes back to headquarters. Q gives him gadgets. He gets his mission. He goes, you know, he sleeps with a girl. You know, the girl dies. Solve the mission, bang the girl. Like, you know, it was so formulaic for a while, and, like, it's nice to.
It's nice to see that departure. Like you said, there's no. No college. No.
The arc was in, you know, in the year 4000. You know, there's no, like, it build up. It's just. They get lost in India and holy. Your stones are gone. Like, you just jump right in now, that being said, this cold, open, fucking phenomenal. Like, I love everything about it.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: And he looks like James Bond too, in a way. Right? I mean, he does.
[00:44:05] Speaker A: Does. Yeah, he definitely does. You know, no hat, he's got the tux on. They can almost be playing baccarat. At that table.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. You're right.
[00:44:11] Speaker A: You know, trading Narachi. Right.
But, you know, we get the.
Maybe the most memorable opening number in movie history for. For people like us, anyway. Yeah, you know, anything. Anything goes.
You know, I fell in love with Willie Scott watching that in the theaters in 1984. And did she get annoying on the sixth or seventh viewing? Yeah, of course. But I'll be honest, I didn't find her annoying at all the first few times I watched it.
[00:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: Now it's like, she's loud. It's like, all right, you know, let's get to. Let's get to the cool stuff. But, yeah, I mean, you know, the action. Yeah, the action. Like, for me, like, that's why, like, now maybe it's because when I saw Raiders, I was like six for the first time, and I was just like, you know, so then I'm. I'm 10. I go. I see it on the big screen. So this was the first movie I saw on the big screen.
I was 10. I was kind of old enough to kind of like, you know, understand a little more.
And I was. I've always been a huge action guy.
You know, one of the best action sequences of all time came out a year before with the rescue of Han from Jabba's Palace. Like, that. To me, like, I could have watched that 100 times a day when I was a kid. I just get so pumped up. So watching the. Like, you said the last 40 minutes. Probably like the last 30 minutes, but, like, it feels like it was the last 40 minutes.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: Of this movie was just so. So cool. Like, you know, some of those shots. And you and I have talked about. And folks, just so you know, like, Bonner and I have talked about the trilogy back and forth ad nauseam for literally decades. So if. If some of this sounds like it's. You know, we've mentioned it before, we're using shorthand. That's the only reason why. Because, you know, he and I have talked about this for forever and he's heard me say this a million times. But there's. There's a couple shots. You know, there's a couple money shots during Temple Doom. In that last sequence, there's a shot when he's his. He's got his whip. He's hanging onto his whip, and he's trying to catch up with the mine car and Willie and Short Round already in the mine car, and he's, you know, flying on. You know, he's holding onto his Whip. And he's moving along with them and he's trying to catch up. And there's explosions going on and shots going off and, like. And it's all practical. There's no fucking CGI kids. And it's like. It's just. It just humbled me when I was a kid. Like, it took my breath away how complex a shot that was and how complex an action sequence it was for being all practical. Right. These are all extras. You know, that's really a big thing of water falling over it. I mean, it could have been a miniature, but. You know what I'm saying.
[00:46:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: I mean, you know. Yeah. So, you know, you cover your heart right into, like, you know, waking India up and, you know, right into freeing the kids, into the mine car, into the, you know, water coming out of the caves, into the bridge. You know, it's like it didn't stop. Like the, that. It. It blew me away. Blew me away. Willie Scott was, you know, super hot in those silk pajamas. Maybe that's why it's my number one.
You know, I thought they, I, I like the. The gross out. They topped the snake gross out with the bugs gross out.
[00:47:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: In the theater. That got a lot of that, got all the reactions, you know, all around. Just, just. I, you know, it just. It just hit me at the right time, the right place. Boom. I mean, that's. That, that's why it's number one for me, man.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
What's. What's your number one? Bomber?
[00:47:28] Speaker B: Well, we got a. No surprise here. Yeah, I was trying to come up with something stupid to say there. I got nothing. By the way, Hilarious. I don't know if at one point they came out on VHS or DVD with one of these things and they, they have the. In the title. Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. You ever see that title on there? I'm like, what are we doing here?
[00:47:43] Speaker A: I don't like that. It's like when they say Star Wars, Episode 4 A New Hope, you.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Exactly, exactly.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Just live with it.
We're gonna be fine. We're gonna be fine.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: So I gotta be honest with you. So after, like I said, we watched Temple of Doom, I couldn't stop talking about Indiana Jones. And I wanted to be in for Halloween and as a kid and everything. And my dad was like, you didn't. You saw that movie. You have to see the other movie. And I was like, oh, there's a movie. There's another movie. I didn't know Raiders existed, so.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: I know you were watching him in chronological order.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right, actually.
Yeah. And I, yeah, I gotta be honest here. So I, I, now I was gonna say something too, that my dad, obviously he got us into all the old movies. So we.
Not before seeing the Netta Jones movies, but a little bit later on he did wind up showing us some serials, which are some of these things that Lucas Spielberg based these movies on.
[00:48:36] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: Saturday matinee serial. So we watched. The first one I watched was Batman. And it would, so it would basically be like, you know, back then you went to the movie theater you know, once a week, my dad would say, and you would get a cartoon, a newsreel or three Stooges episode or whatever it might be. And then you might get Mike at two movies, a B movie and then, and then the feature. But, but like, so the Batman thing would be. They would be. Have chapters and be like 15 chapters that are in one chapter. At the end of the movie, like he's about to go over a cliff in a car and it'd be like, oh my God, come back next week and see chapter two. And then of course, watch these. We had them on vhs. So the next one comes right off, right away. And it's always the stupidest thing. Like he just jumps right out of the car before it goes over the cliff. And I'm like, damn, you know, you wanted something better than that. I don't know, you know, but so these movies, Raiders and definitely Temple of Doom have these things where you just wanted. Where it was like, there's a clear good guy, a clear bad guy, and he just gets out of one thing into the next.
You know, how am I gonna get out of this? Into the next one, into the next one. It's just, it's a never ending.
You know, how the is he gonna get out of this? So to me, it's like Raiders. There's like you said for cinema the whole. To me, it's like the best Spielberg movie. I, I think I. It's in my top fucking probably three ever made. I love this movie so much. And like the beginning of it, great introduction to the character. I don't know how you could sit down to watch Raiders Lost Ark. And after like the first 15 minutes, you're not like, holy shit, I'm in. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, what the fuck are we doing here? You know?
[00:49:57] Speaker A: I know, I know. Especially like the time it came out, people must be like, like, wow, what the fuck?
[00:50:02] Speaker B: No doubt.
And I have to Say it has probably, like you said, that's another one. We could probably do like just action sequences itself. Like to me, my favorite all time action scene in any movie ever made is the truck chase in Raiders. I, I love it. I can watch it anytime. It's always awesome and exciting to me. I think it's the fucking best thing. And the same thing, it's up there for sure. And the same thing with the airplane fight with the, with the Nazi, the bald Nazi guy, the whole airplane scene, that whole thing, you know, I, I can't, I can't watch those enough.
And then you have Marion, like I said, the whole introduction for her, the scene in the bar, the fight there. There's just so many iconic great scenes. And of course at the ending, who doesn't want to see the Nazis get their fucking faces melted off and what are we doing here? You know?
[00:50:45] Speaker A: I know, horrific, horrific. It was, you know, a little, little jarring when I first saw that as a kid. But yeah, I mean it is what it is.
[00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: That's not PG13 though, you know what I mean?
[00:50:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but the, exactly. But, but the, and like you said with the iconic shots, I mean the ball following them in the beginning, there's that great shot when they're going to dig up the ark and the sun is out and he's got that, that, the shadowy, you know, the image of himself in, in the desert there. And how about when Marion walks in, his whole shadow is on the wall. I mean there's just so many great camera shots and you know, memorable scenes. I don't know how to describe it. It's.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: I'm not. And, and Raiders is the better film, like for sure. Like, like I'm not, I'm not stupid enough to think that like Raiders isn't a better and all around, like cinematically speaking, a better film than Temple of Doom is. I think Spielberg was just doing something different with Doom, you know, cuts right to the chase. But yeah, no, so I mean, I totally get it. Like I, and, and like I said, like I've seen Raiders way more than I've seen Temple and do in my life. And it's just because Raiders was like the first, you know, first time you kind of fall in love with the, with indie. So, you know, it's same thing with Star Wars. You know, Empire is a better film, but like I've, I grew up watching Star wars every day, like over and over and over, you know, so you fall in love with one thing. Doesn't mean you can't you know, you can't appreciate something else, you know. But no, like I hear like Raiders can easily be number one for me.
[00:52:05] Speaker B: Exactly. And like Temple of Doom could be mine too as well. Like, like you said, we get. And you know, I, they all are interchangeable in my mind because they're just. The wall. I don't know what it is. They just, they all had a good feel on the, the, the, the. The right.
I don't know. How do you say it? The temperature. The, the, the, the. The. The way the film is. All of them are the. They have the right. There's a word. I can't. I can't grab it. It's like out there and I can't.
[00:52:26] Speaker A: Yeah, the right tone. The.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Right. There you go. That's what I wanted to say. The tone was.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Right time. Right. I mean it was, you know, we were ready, we.
The world was ready for like another like action but like a really, really good action adventure icon. Right. Like, like, like they were ready for. And they hadn't made a movie like that before. You know, Raiders got nominated for a bunch of Oscars. You know, Raiders, Star wars, it's hard to remember like movies like that because they were so groundbreaking. They got nominated for best picture Oscars back then because like people had never seen anything like that before. Like could you imagine like you know, Star wars, you know, the Last Jedi get nominated for best pitcher. It's not going to happen, you know, ever again. But back then it was like, wow, look at what they achieved.
You know, didn't matter that it was sci fi. Didn't matter that it was action adventure.
You know, back then it was just like, look at that cinematic achievement. We're going to, to, we're going to honor it. I mean they kind of did that with you know, the Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King, when it swept, you know, when 12 for 12 at the Oscars, like, you know, even though it's a fantasy film and normally it would just get ignored by the academy, but I mean they realized what an achievement it was cinematically.
[00:53:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:28] Speaker A: Filming all three movies at once and just, just the overall production of it, you couldn't deny it. So. Yeah. So I mean that's a testament to how groundbreaking these films were.
[00:53:39] Speaker B: I think that's a great point. Like you were saying. I never, I never really thought of it before like that. But if you name any all time action movies, like if you've any of the James Bond movies or like even Die Hard or Lethal Weapon, wherever You want to go?
They never get nominated for Best Picture, you know, I mean, like, this, the fact that Star wars and Raiders got nominated. Like I said, Lord of the Rings one, I mean, it's like, it's, it's crazy how, like, I said what, what these movies were at the time. And like I said, I, I was like, I don't know, two or three when the first one came out, Raiders. So I'm like, you know, and must have been like, you, you know, to go see these. And like I said, temple of Doom. You said you saw that when you were 10. Like, I saw a crusade when I was 10. I was, I was eating it up. How could you not? I mean, what are we doing here?
[00:54:14] Speaker A: Right?
Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, I, I, I wouldn't begrudge anybody, even somebody our age, who was like, nah, you know, I'm gonna put a, I'm gonna put dial of Destiny 1, you know, Temple of Doom 2, and, you know, freaking Crystal Skull 3, you know, I, I would never talk to them again, but I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't hate them. You know what I mean?
[00:54:35] Speaker B: Like, no, no.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: I would talk to.
[00:54:38] Speaker B: Him, especially, like, you know, I feel like if you're our age or grew up, when we grew up, I can't imagine you're putting the other two ahead of the other three. But if you're younger, I, I, I, you know, there, there's probably an excuse there for that or, you know, whatever. I mean, excuse. Like, I'm like, I'm not saying like, we're better than you, you know? You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, you, you're looking at it through a whole completely different lens when you're younger, and you might be like, yeah, like, this had better, I don't know, whatever, than the other. Who knows? You know? I don't know. Yeah, there's five movies. We rattled them off. And what else, what else can we do here? You know?
[00:55:11] Speaker A: Not much. Hey, but folks, check out our other podcast. Check out the Star Trek Warp Top 10 podcast that Brian and I also do. If you're interested in Star Trek, we've got a little top 10 pod over there for you, so check that out. What do you got?
[00:55:24] Speaker B: Bummer, I got nothing. I, you know, it's been fun. I'm trying to think what else I have to plug here, but you nailed it. The other, that's our other pod, so check it out. But that's, that's what we got here. Thank you. And God bless. I don't know. You know, what can we say?
[00:55:40] Speaker A: You know, you said it all. That's it. Take care.
[00:55:43] Speaker B: Peace.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: It.
