Best Actor Oscar Winners

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome back to Men of a Certain Five. We are back with another Hot Topic hot list top 5, take you with here. I am one of your hosts, Brian Parks, and I'm joined with my buddy Phil Rizzo. Phil, what do you say? [00:00:29] Speaker B: Hey, what's going on, Bomber? Yeah, man. We got a good one. We got a good one. We got an Oscar. Oscar category here. [00:00:36] Speaker A: We do Oscar chat. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Yes. Nice little touch there. And, you know, now we already covered on here our favorite best picture winners that have been. So we're hitting up with a little something different here with the. Our favorite top five best actor winner, winning performances. Right? Is that. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah, Best actor, winning performances. There's got to be a better way to say that. I'm sure we put a better way to say that in the description of the episode, but Best best actor, Oscar winners. How about that? [00:01:04] Speaker A: That sounds professional. I like that. [00:01:05] Speaker B: There you go. Yeah. With the Oscars coming up, we decided to do. I know, we know. We just did that. The best Picture, you know, winners. But yeah, we got the Oscars in. In a couple weeks here, so. Yeah, why not? We're gonna do a little Another Oscar ones for you just to get some more Oscar content out there. What do you. What do you think of that? [00:01:20] Speaker A: Love it, man. You've always been kind of big Oscar nerds in a way. You know, we've always kind of been into the show and who's nominated and all that nonsense, who gets snubbed and all that, but. And you know, it's usually some contrary. Of course, over the last few years, obviously there's been a lot of politics stuff, which always. You, you know, you. I mean, I don't know how you feel. I could kind of do without that. I'm, you know, I hate when people get passionate about nonsense that. I don't know, it just gets, you know, I, I'm one of those people that's like, let. Let's watch the show and have a good time, you know, I mean, that's all I have to. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Totally. Yeah. I mean, look, no matter what we're talking about, sports, you know, movies, I'm. I'm in it to. You know, I want to see these actors and producers and editors and writers get recognized for the work they did with the movies. I don't give a. What any of them think one way or the other, whether it's. Whether you lean left or right. Just. Just tell us how happy you are that your peers have recognized you with this award. Thank God and move on. Like, honestly, like, yeah, we Want to have fun. I'm so, so done with the politics. [00:02:18] Speaker A: And not for nothing else, the show is long enough. Do we need to make it any longer? You know? [00:02:21] Speaker B: I know. Oh, my God. Like, this is just. Just cut the fucking commercial when that shit happens. [00:02:25] Speaker A: And by the way, speaking of how long the show is and everything and these. These categories, now, this year, they're introducing a new category. Best casting. I love you saw that. [00:02:33] Speaker B: I saw that. That's interesting. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought it was interesting, especially working on a new show there, having sat in an audition. You got a little taste of that now, huh? [00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I did. I did. It's actually. I'm actually helping out, helping a friend of ours, Matt D. Regattis. I'm helping him. I'm actually assistant. Like, co directing this. This play. Not co directing, but I'm the assistant director on a play that he's producing. It's called. Yeah, night of the 16th. It's an Ayn Rand play that was written way back when. But, yeah, it'll be out and about six weeks at the Jersey Shore Arts Center. So, yeah, I'll be plugging that on our next pod for sure. But, yeah, I got to sit in on some auditions for the first time. It's kind of exciting. You know, we had auditioned a few people when we did some independent films back in the day. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:17] Speaker B: But for the most part, it's fascinating seeing the process that you've gone through a million times on both sides of the. Of the curtain. I'm sure you've been to a million auditions, and I'm sure you've sat in on some auditions. But, yeah, it's. It's fun stuff. I like it. [00:03:30] Speaker A: And, you know, I like that they kind of did that. But, you know, I also feel like I've been thinking about this the last few days here with the Oscars coming up. It's something I've never really wanted to get into as far as, like, the categories. And I'm like, that is so much to really break down. But then the more I've been thinking about it, I'm like, they really should mess around with a few different things here. First of all, I have to be honest here, you know, there's everybody. When you think of drama or you think of even going back to, like, the Greeks and everything, the two masks are comedy and tragedy. You know, there should be a separate whole thing. For best comedic performance by a male best. It's the best actor and best comic performance. You know what I'm saying? Because it's amazing. You know what made me think of it was ironically now. So this might make people turn the show off, but hadn't had we watched it in years. I rewatched Ace Ventura the other day. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Love it. [00:04:17] Speaker A: And I gotta tell you, that movie still holds up to me. I was on my ass a lot of. Yeah. And I'm saying, just like I was when I was like, whatever. I was 14 watching the movie theater, I'm like, he should have been nominated for an Oscar that no one else in the world could have played that part, you know, and. And made that what it was, you know, I mean, that would. That should be nominated for that. I mean, that was unbelievable stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like it. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Totally agreed. Totally agree. Like, when are they going to start recognizing not just comedy, but, you know me, man. How about a horror category? Would that kill anybody? [00:04:45] Speaker A: Another one. Every now and then they get break. They break through there. But yeah, well, like. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Like Sinners or Frankenstein that are both nominated for best picture this year. You know what I mean? But like, like what. What sucks about the Golden Globes is that they do have those comedy performances, but they use them as an excuse to slide in the dramas that they want to recognize but might not win. You know, the Bear is not a fucking comedy. [00:05:05] Speaker A: 100% agree with you on this. This pisses me off. [00:05:06] Speaker B: If you ever watch that show, it's not even close to a come. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Ridiculous. [00:05:10] Speaker B: I mean, it makes you laugh here and there. [00:05:11] Speaker A: So stupid to be. [00:05:12] Speaker B: That's a straight up drama because it's a half hour. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Right? [00:05:14] Speaker B: Like, come on. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Come on. It's time to reconfigure this stuff. I agree. [00:05:18] Speaker A: 100, no doubt. [00:05:20] Speaker B: But all that being said, hey, man, we're not gonna. On the Oscars. We're gonna. [00:05:23] Speaker A: No, we're not. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Let's talk about them a little bit, you know. Yeah. So we got them coming up. So you know me. I try to dive hard. I. I've been trying to watch all the nominees for best pitcher. I've watched six of them. I got four to go with a couple weeks. I'm sure I'll bang them out. Some good stuff and some stuff that's, you know, a little overrated, Some stuff that's underrated. Like, there's a lot of good stuff going on this year. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Me and Allison have failed so far. We've only watched one, so we have a lot of homework to do. Now, out of the six you've seen, what is your favorite one so far? Do you want to not not say yet you want to watch them all? Or like I was gonna say, we're already at the halfway point here for you. [00:05:53] Speaker B: I'll say where I'm at. So you know me, I'm a psycho. I rank all the movies. I wow. Ranking with stars. So out of four stars, three of the movies have gotten three and a half. F1, Sinners and Frankenstein all got three and a half. I think those are the best three. [00:06:08] Speaker A: Interesting. Wow. F1. Was that good, huh? [00:06:11] Speaker B: It was fun. [00:06:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Don't. I could see why I got nominated for some of the technical categories and I mean I love Brad Pitt and it was a good film. But to me, I'm watching it like it's not Best Picture. They also got to stop with these 10 film things. Like they gotta stop. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Totally agree with you there. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Five films is enough. It's so stupid. You know, you don't need to cram more of these films in there because frankly a lot of them are not best Picture worthy. At least not in my definition of best picture. Besides the fact that when they brought it back in 2019 or whatever, it was an endgame. Didn't get nominated out of the 10. [00:06:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Films. That one doesn't. You didn't throw that one a nomination, right? Fuck you, Hollywood. Sorry, but that. That's ridiculous. [00:06:48] Speaker A: 100% agree with you there. Couldn't agree with you more. And that's another. Goes along what I'm saying, like you can get rid of a lot of the nonsense if you break down some of these things and just, you know, like you said that the 10, you get the 10 to 5. You know that that shortens the show a little bit right there. Cuz you're getting rid of the clips they show from those five that really have no chance. Like what? It's almost like we need more teams in the playoffs. Like wait, it's. It's fine as it is. Like what are we doing here? You know? [00:07:11] Speaker B: It's true. It's exactly what it's like. Yeah. And it's just. I really don't know why they did that. Just to welcome a larger array of I guess films and genres or filmmakers. Which is the intention is fine there. But. No, no, look, if it's not good enough to make the five, then it's not good enough. I'm sorry. Like just, just cut it down to five. [00:07:30] Speaker A: I actually. [00:07:31] Speaker B: That' what we're doing today. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I actually thought one of the reasons why they did it was. Was to include films that made big money at the box Office to get more people to watch the Oscars. But then, like you said, they. They threw any game out. So it's like, what the are we doing here? [00:07:42] Speaker B: Like, you know, that was the original intention, right. Now that I think about it, I think maybe the first year was 2015, because I remember when Fury Road got nominated in 2015, I was like, wow, this is. I should say 20, the Oscars, 2016. But it came out in 2015. And I mean, I love that because I think that that movie was absolutely epic. But I think that that was the first year that they brought it back. I think is they tried it briefly, like years ago. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Well, I was gonna say, anyway, way back in the day, they. They had way more. And actually after. I would like to know the history on it myself because I'm spitballing here with. There's probably a million people that know all the facts, but I don't know if they even had a set number. I just do remember that they definitely had films like. Like 1939 is always one of the big years for movies there. They had like 10 nominees for best picture back then, or maybe even more or maybe a little less. I'm not sure. But they kind of varied. I don't know. [00:08:27] Speaker B: These were even. [00:08:29] Speaker A: My God, that's true. They made a ton of more movies. [00:08:30] Speaker B: But. [00:08:31] Speaker A: But let me ask you this. [00:08:32] Speaker B: No, no, what I mean is they probably made less movies back then, is what I'm saying. Like, so. [00:08:35] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Like, I mean, they didn't make. They didn't make anywhere near as many as they were making. They're making now. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I don't know about that. Obviously, like in the 30s and 40s, that's all they had was movies. So I feel like. And they had the movie studios and they were like a factory. They turned out like. I feel like they made a lot of movies back then. I feel like now TV is more than it is. I don't think they make as many movies as they do tv. But, you know, I could be. Again, I'm spitballing here. There's. People have way more. But what I was going to ask you was when did they go to the fives? For a long time, especially when I was a kid, it was only the five movies for as long as I remember. [00:09:05] Speaker B: That's what I was gonna say is growing up from when I started watching the Oscars in the, I don't know, late 80s, I guess. Yeah, all the way up to and including, like I said, 2015. So there's a solid, like, almost 30 years where all they was, the five. And I, you know, they didn't change it. Yeah. So I don't know what. What the hell they're doing. Yeah, but five is enough. Like, knock it off. And even. Even with the five, there was always the one that you're like, all right, that's not gonna win. Like, babe, Pig in the City is not gonna fucking win. Like, you know, the Postman is a great Italian film, but it's not gonna win. You know, I'm sorry. It's just not. Not up against what it was up against in 94. So it is what it is. [00:09:39] Speaker A: And this is another. I know we've mentioned this on one of the other pods there, but I know you always bring up the. The rewatchables thing. They might have a category like this, but I think there should be an Oscar nominee for, like. Like, My Boy Ellis and Die Hard should have got nominated for that. You know, like, the guy that sneaks in there, kills the couple of scenes, and he's out. You know what I mean? Like, that guy was such a prick. He's great. And my other guys, the guy from Major League that's dating Renee Russo, and, you know, that guy was the best. He should have been nominated for that role. It was phenomenal. [00:10:09] Speaker B: The best weasel. Best 80s weasel, you know? [00:10:12] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. [00:10:13] Speaker B: It's hilarious, Ellis. I love it. Yeah. So. Yeah, so. So, you know, so I'm trying to watch all the pictures, and, you know, I'm. I'm glad Conan's hosting again. Thank God. [00:10:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:25] Speaker B: You know, he's. He's awesome. I love him. He'll keep it. He'll keep it even. And look, if. For all the. All the. The stuff that we're saying about the Oscars, you know, we have a big party here. We have fun watching it. We bet. We do an Oscar pool. We get involved, you know, so it's. So. It's a lot of fun. So I was looking forward to that night, because I'm taking off the next day. I'm just gonna, you know, have a good time, hang out and watch. Watch some of these films. Last year, the last couple years, I feel like the movies that deserved it actually won, which is kind of cool. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember last year, Anora was the winner. I remember. Right? [00:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what? I take it back the year before. My bad. Yeah. Last year, I wasn't too crazy about it. Yeah, I liked all the nominees, but, yeah, I wasn't crazy about who won last year. Now that I think about it. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Before I was all down, I forgot what was up again. It was up against. We watched it. I actually thought it was actually a decent movie. You know, again, I can't really say because I didn't watch all the other nominees, but. But I, you know, I forget the year before. What was the year before? [00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah, so the year before, the movies that were nominated were Conclave, Dune 2, Anora, Emilia Perez, the Brutalist, Wicked, Nickel Boys, A complete unknown. I'm still here in the substance. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Wow. [00:11:36] Speaker B: So, yeah, I mean, I love the inclusion of the substance, you know. That was awesome. [00:11:39] Speaker A: That was the Demi Moore one. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Yeah. It was the body horror. I love that. I love. I love the movie. I know a lot of people at my party didn't. I told them all to watch it and they were like, what the did you just have me watch, man? [00:11:52] Speaker A: Allison said she tried. She said I. I couldn't get through it. So I don't know, you know, I [00:11:56] Speaker B: thought it was amazing. I thought Demi Moore was great. What a great role for her. What, what. What a fearless role. And I thought the movie was just great. It was everything you can want out of, like a modern body horror movie. But, yeah, so, yeah, so I wasn't crazy about, you know, Anora. I think I gave it two and a half stars. Like I thought Conclave, the Brutalist, the Substance. I thought they were much better. I wasn't crazy about Amelia Perez and I didn't get to watch the rest of them, but I thought it was a decent year again. I would like to have seen them give it to, you know, the Brutalist or Conclave. But I get why they gave it to A Nor. It was. It was a pretty good movie. I love the ending. She was amazing. She was. She was good. I'm glad she won. I'm not glad she won cuz I had somebody else in the pool. But she deserved to win along with the other actress, so. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:12:40] Speaker B: It was a good job. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:42] Speaker B: What do you think about. So what. What one film did you see? Was it one battle? [00:12:45] Speaker A: One battle's the only one I saw. Yeah. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Okay. And again, what did you think? I forget. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Well, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, sometimes people get to get to you with the hype and stuff. So, you know, it's like, you know, it had been out for a while, obviously. So by the time I got around to it, I'm like, you know, all the actors are basically nominated. You know, the, the Paul Thomas Anderson, the praise for him and everything, you know, which, by the way, I've only seen one Paul Thomas Anderson movie going into this, which was Boogie Nights, which was, I thought was phenomenal, but I haven't. Haven't gotten around to some of his other films. And I watched this, and I was completely underwhelmed. I just was. Not for me. I don't. I didn't understand all the hype. I still don't. I don't know. To me, it's almost like it's kind of a disjointed film. It's almost like two different films to me, and it seems like there's some kind of. It almost turns into, like an action movie in a way where I'm kind of like, you know, a chase film in a way where I'm like, you know, okay, you know. You know, to me, Tango and Cash was more fun than this. That didn't get nominated. I don't know. You know, I mean, like, I was like, how did this. I don't understand how this got nominated for Best Picture. Little. Let alone it's the favorite to win from everything I'm seeing, you know, that's just my opinion. [00:13:49] Speaker B: And you know what it is? It's like. It's like. It's. This is the same problem with the Grammys, the Emmys, and the Oscars. I don't know anything about the Tonys, so. But the same thing with the. With the Grammy. If, like, they latch on to these people, say somebody like, if, say, the Emmys, for example, Julia Louis Dreyfus, right? She wins one year, and it's like she's almost a foregone conclusion to keep winning for every year that she's in. And to me, most times, it's just. I love Julia Louis Dreyfus. I love Seinfeld, you know, I think she's great, you know, on. On Veep. But. But I'm sorry. Not. Not. Not every year. [00:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:25] Speaker B: I mean, like, there are better people. Hey, Kaitlin Olson should have won a goddamn Emmy, you know, in any of the. The 17 seasons of always Sunny. So. So with the Oscars, it's almost like if Paul Thomas Sanders is making a movie with Leo, guess what? It's gonna get nominated no matter what. Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, because he's just like Christopher Nolan. Now, Christopher Nolan was a. Wasn't pretty much a blockbuster filmmaker. I'm not saying he didn't have talent. I love Christopher Nolan, and I'm not shitting on him, but, like, you know, the Batman Trilogy. And all these films, they weren't recognized by the Academy. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Right? [00:14:59] Speaker B: Really? Not in. At least not director, you know, producer capacity. But that makes Oppenheimer. And it catches fire at the right time. Right along with Barbie, which I still haven't seen now, like, now, no matter what he does, like, there's no question in my mind that Odyssey's getting nominated. It doesn't matter if it's gonna be good or not, like, because it's his name attached. It's all these big, big A list actors. So it's getting nominated before the movie even came out. I guarantee it. And I feel like that's what happened with one battle after another. [00:15:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:28] Speaker B: I mean, and don't get me wrong, like, I am a huge PTA fan. I love every movie except this one. This is the only PTA movie I'm not a fan of. And the only one I haven't seen is Licorice Pizza. I've seen all of his other films. Yeah, and. And the three acting. Or is it four? [00:15:44] Speaker A: Pen DiCaprio. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Pen DiCaprio. Del Toro. And then I think the female lead got nominated too, didn't she? I don't remember her name. [00:15:51] Speaker A: I thought she got snubbed. I thought she got snubbed for that. Maybe I'm wrong. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Did she get stopped? [00:15:54] Speaker A: I could. I could be wrong about that. [00:15:57] Speaker B: I know, you're right. I agree with that. [00:15:59] Speaker A: No, you're right. The females. The female lead did. His daughter did not. That was the one that got snubbed. [00:16:03] Speaker B: Okay. Now, look, her aside, I wasn't crazy. Her performance. But the. And, and, and I'm not even a big fan of a couple of the other actors. But they were so good. [00:16:13] Speaker A: Like, I have no clue. [00:16:16] Speaker B: I thought it was. I thought it was too. And the writing was good. And look, it made me laugh and it kept me engaged. I wasn't crazy about some of the themes and that's what kind of brought it down for me. But other than that, I mean, it's still a Paul Thomas Anderson film. It's still Leo, it's still Benicio del Toro, Sean Penn. I think it was still well made, so I get it. But I don't like this foregone conclusion nomination. You know what I mean? Like, Beyonce does a country album and all of a sudden she's gonna get nominated. Come on, knock it off. [00:16:39] Speaker A: By the way. I just. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Come on. You don't have to automatically nominate these people. [00:16:41] Speaker A: I gotta tell you, I. I watched. Now I'm addicted to letterboxd, as I probably told you this. But yeah, I did because I have Lucy and I'm staying up with her at night, feeding her and stuff. I've been able to, I'm banging out movies. Watch. I've watched 26 movies so far this year I've never seen before, and I'm ranking them. I have some. One battle is number 25 out of the 26 I've seen. That's, that's, that's, that's how crazy it is. I'm like, you know, what are we doing here? [00:17:06] Speaker B: What did you, how many stars did you give it out of five on there? [00:17:08] Speaker A: I, I gotta be honest. Yeah, I gave it. I gotta look. Let me look right now. It's one or two. I'll tell you that right now. [00:17:15] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:17:16] Speaker A: I was, it just wasn't my, Wasn't crazy at all. [00:17:18] Speaker B: And I still gave it, I gave [00:17:20] Speaker A: it one, you know, one star. That's probably a little mean. But again, you know, you know, for me, the reason why is like you said, you left. I, again, this is a movie I have to re watch and maybe I'll find it. You know, I, I, I didn't, I, I didn't laugh, I didn't, I didn't. Everything went over my head. I didn't get anything. I didn't know. I didn't, I don't know what the whole thing was about. I was failure. You know, I was like, what is going on in this movie? You know, I, I don't know. I, it was, I didn't understand what the hell was going on. You know, Sean Penn was in there. He winds up. I don't know. He was great again, the acting was good. Maybe that's why I gave it to it. But I'm like. And you know this, I might have been biased because it was so hyped up and I was so disappointed because I thought it was going to be something that it was and it was not that. So I, and I told you this before. The same thing happened to me with American Beauty. I went to go see that in the movie theater when that came out, and I went with my girl I was dating at the time. We both walked out of the theater like, what the hell is this movie about? Hated the movie. Watched it a few years after that. Then I was laughing my balls off and loving the movie. So, yeah, maybe the same thing will happen with this one. I don't really know. But right as of right now, I would right over my head. I got to tell. [00:18:24] Speaker B: I'll tell you what that was American Beauty is one of those rare times where I think Hollywood was actually a little bit ahead of the public. It never really happens that much, but that movie was pretty revolutionary when it came out. And a lot of today's standards, it's very tame. Yeah. When that came out, you know, 27 years ago. [00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Like the simplest, the simplest thing, like him masturbating in the shower in the beginning. Like, like you. You didn't, you didn't see that then. You know, I mean, like, they didn't, they didn't make movies and TV with people doing that shit. It just kind of didn't. And the idea of like breaking up the, you know, the norms of suburban families and just kind of just, you know, a guy just kind of middle, midlife crisis, doing his own thing sounds like it was like around a lot back then, but it kind of not in the mainstream anyway. [00:19:06] Speaker A: So. [00:19:07] Speaker B: I like that movie when I saw it, not as much, but I was very high on Kevin Spacey at the time. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Sure. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Like, he was. God, yeah, he was. He was on a streak. Yeah. So I liked him a lot. Yeah. That was. He got two. That was his second Oscar there. [00:19:19] Speaker A: What was the other one? Usual Suspect. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Mutual Suspects. Best supporting Actor. Yeah. So that was pretty crazy. Yeah. So I hear you. So one battle. We'll see. I'm gonna watch it again. I gave it three out of five. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Like, wow. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Even. Although. Even I'm shitting on it. But like, it was still well made enough. It was still funny enough, it was still engaging enough, I thought. And look, Leo DiCaprio to me, I don't care what you say, he's. He's one of the most engaging actors we have right now. Like, he just. He just is. Like, I can watch him do anything. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:46] Speaker B: I really can. He's so intense and serious and maybe that's. [00:19:49] Speaker A: That's the disc, this, what do you call it? The break. For me, it's like, you know, I have never been on the Leo train. I never. To me, his best performance is in Django Unchained. That. That to me is the best actor. [00:19:59] Speaker B: That's a great one. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Everything else, I'm kind of like, he's fine. Don't get me wrong. Who the am I? I mean, you know, obviously the guys had a great career. I mean, but he, to me, I don't know. He. I've never been. To me, he's like. He's a pretty boy who's just trying very hard. They. To me, he's never been. I. I don't think he's interesting. And that's. Again, I'll get shot for this from everybody listening, but, you know, no, he's awesome at what he does. I'm not saying that, but. [00:20:22] Speaker B: And. [00:20:22] Speaker A: And I enjoy. I do enjoy watching him, but, like, if I'm not jumping out of my chair to go see a movie just because he's in it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. That's all. [00:20:29] Speaker B: No, no, no, not at all. But at the same time, like, I'm one of those people who thinks his Revenant Oscar was deserved. I'm one of those people who thinks he should have won for Departed. [00:20:38] Speaker A: He actually should have won it a few times. I shouldn't. As much as I'm kind of bullshitting about it. He was long overdue for that shit. I was. Yeah, definitely. I agree with you there. He. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, he was great in the Aviator. He was great in the. He won for the Revenant. I thought he was. He was amazing in Django. Like, I think that that's a great. It's a great pick. [00:20:52] Speaker A: A lot of people think that's his best time. Hollywood very good, too, obviously. [00:20:55] Speaker B: See, that was. I was gonna bring that one up. Like, he was. He was so good in that. Like, his performance is overshadowed by Brad Pitts, no question, by Quentin Tarantino, but he was. He was. Believe it or not, that dude was underrated in that. [00:21:09] Speaker A: That role was amazing. I totally agree with you. And again, I keep thinking to myself, is it just Quentin Tarantino getting him. Getting the best out of him? I don't know. [00:21:16] Speaker B: But, you know, I mean, he gave Christoph Waltz two Oscars, right? He got him two Oscars. He got. You know, he put people on the map and Pulp Fiction back on the map. I should say Pulp Fiction. And, you know, he's a nomination machine now, Quentin, unless he does, like, you know, Hateful Eight or a movie that just kind of throws away and has some fun with. [00:21:32] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:21:33] Speaker B: I mean, he's got. He's got one more movie coming out. Like, it's. It's another case where. And this is in a good way, probably it's just gonna get nominated for a bunch of. No matter what. You know, it's just gonna. No matter what he makes, it's gonna be good now. [00:21:44] Speaker A: And you know what? Again, it might just be me, you know, hating on. I'm just kind of pissing on him. Just. Movie was. I was just not. I. I just wanted it to be better than it was. It's probably what it comes down to, you know, And. And again, I am. I. I was probably. Probably could have gave it like, two and a half, maybe three if I. You know, like you said. But. But yeah, I was maybe just. I was so, like, ah, man. Everyone was talking so much about this movie. I'm like, now I'm curious to see some of the other ones you mentioned, like Sinners and Frankenstein. I want to check some of these things. [00:22:08] Speaker B: And even F1, Sinners was incredible, dude. Sinners, you got. You got Sitters. Was so, so freaking good. It was so good. There were some scenes in there that just blew my mind. Like, you know, you're talking to the guy who watches, like, you know, minimum 50 horror movies a year now, like. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:23] Speaker B: And. And Sinners. It transcended that. And there were just some scenes that were. I'd never seen anything like that before. It was really well done. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Ireland. [00:22:32] Speaker B: Frankenstein was. Was gorgeous and wonderful. Everything about that movie was. Was really engrossing. [00:22:41] Speaker A: I'm curious to check that out because, again, I. I being an old Universal monster fan, I know obviously that's one version, and there's been a million versions. I haven't really watched a lot of other ones. I didn't even see the De Niro one that they did. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Yes, I like that one. It wasn't as good, obviously, the Kenneth Branagh, and much like that in 94. The Kenneth Branagh, Frankenstein, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. To the point is that they stuck to the novel really closely, but I think Del Toro did it better than Branagh did. You know what I mean? They were both faithful to the source material, but I think Del Toro just pulled it off. That being said, like, you know, he had. He was working with more ingredients, you know, better special effects and, you know, a little more sort of freedom to kind of make the film. He wanted to, I think. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:23:27] Speaker B: I think he has a little more cachet than Kenneth Branagh had at the time as a director, not maybe not as an actor. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Sure. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Anyway. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:34] Speaker B: No, so. And De Niro, you know, I was never crazy about Dinner's performance in that movie. Like, you know, he was fine. And Lord knows I was high on De Niro at the time. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:23:43] Speaker B: You know. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Well, listen, we're 25 minutes or 26 minutes. Should we get to the list here? [00:23:48] Speaker B: I. I knew we. I knew we'd be deep. Didn't care. Like, I knew we'd be talking Oscars before that. We're gonna talk Oscars. This is gonna be an hour and A half pod, no question. [00:23:56] Speaker A: Keep going. I don't mind. I just, you know, fine. Because I know we're gonna, we're gonna go on a lot of questions as we go here, you know. [00:24:02] Speaker B: Oh, listen, hey, before we do that, let's check us out on Tick Tock threads Instagram at Men of a certain five. That's men of a certain the number five. And you can shoot us an [email protected] and yes, men of a Certain F I V E for that one. Men of a Certain five spelled outmail dot com. Let us know what's going on. Give us your top five best actor winning performances. We'd love to hear it. We love to talk about it, and we would love to discuss it. So. Yeah, and one last thing. If you're interested in something other than doing the top five, if you're interested in ranking things and you want to check out some sci fi Bomber and I also do a podcast called the Warp Top 10 podcast. That's a Star Trek podcast, kids, where we talk all things track. You either catch a top 10 Star Trek coming at you or Bombers working his way through Next Generation. We're talking about those episodes as he watches them. So check that out. If you're interested in checking out some sci fi something something. You might be interested if you like lists and ranking as much as we do, but this is not a Star Trek podcast. This is Men of a Certain Five. And we're talking best Actor Oscar winners. What are we, what are we talking about here? How did you. Now we've been compiling our lists for maybe a week. [00:25:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:09] Speaker B: A little more. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:25:10] Speaker B: How did you, how did you whittle this down to five? How did you. What's your process? [00:25:14] Speaker A: So, you know, it's funny you say that. So I went through and I just, I picked out my favorite ones that I, that I really enjoyed. Again, I haven't seen them all, so there's gonna be some on here I've not gone through. I haven't seen every best actor winning. Winning performance. [00:25:26] Speaker B: Sure. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Out of all the ones I've seen, I tried to pick my favorite ones. And out of that, it was very dicey as far as, like, you know, I, I tried to go with what I thought was each person's best performance. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:41] Speaker A: Also, what I felt like was the most fun for me. So it was like, like a personal thing as well as what I thought was their very best kind of mixed in. So I, and, and just so you know, I probably have about 14 honorable mentions on here or maybe I'll whittle that down, depending on what you have. So we'll see what happens. But how about yourself? [00:25:58] Speaker B: No, no, you could rattle them off quickly. I think I have some six myself, so. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Nice. Okay, nice. [00:26:04] Speaker B: So just to be clear, all your picks. These actors have one best actor. They actually won it for this performance. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Yes, yes, Very good. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Just making sure. Around the same. [00:26:12] Speaker A: I know, I know it's a little tricky here. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah, There are a lot that I, I would like to have put. Like there are performances that I like better than. You know, maybe my five, four, or three, you know, I mean, that didn't win. You know what I mean? [00:26:24] Speaker A: I'm 100% with you there. Yes, I agree 1,000% on that. Yes, very tough there. But. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to start out or you want me to start out? How would you like to kick this off here? [00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah, you know what? I'll go first. [00:26:36] Speaker A: All right. [00:26:37] Speaker B: I'll go first. Yeah. [00:26:39] Speaker A: All right. [00:26:39] Speaker B: So these are our top five best actor, Oscar winning performances. Number five, Bomber. You're not going to believe this. This is not bullshit. I whittled this down. It made the list. James Cagney, Yankee Doodle Day. Wow. He made the list. No kidding. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Very impressive. [00:26:57] Speaker B: I know, I, I, you know, I, I knew he'd be in contention and, but I said, there's no way he's gonna, you know. And then I'm, I'm comparing it and I'm like, God, he was so freaking good. He played, you know, George M. Cohen, right? [00:27:08] Speaker A: Yes, Very good. [00:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah. So Yankee Doodle Dandy. I, I didn't put the year down, but this was notable because it's the first actor to win for a musical performance. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I didn't know that either, actually. I didn't know, I didn't even know [00:27:21] Speaker B: that first musical performance, best actor win. So that's kind of cool. He was nominated two other times. I didn't know that either. Once before this one and once after. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah, very good. [00:27:29] Speaker B: The ones before was for Angels, Dirty Faces, another movie I love. Phenomenal that you showed me. [00:27:33] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:33] Speaker B: Thank you, Bomber. I forget what the name of the other one was. [00:27:35] Speaker A: The other one was, I Believe Love, Love Me or Leave Me, which he did with Doris Day. I think it was nominated for that. [00:27:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Which, which, I forget the year, but it was, it was after. You're right about that. Yeah. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I just, I don't know why I looked that up, but I was. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Great homework. I love this a little bit. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Little. Just a few Notes especially because this one, because I was. I wasn't as familiar with this performance as I was the other ones on my list. But so, yeah, so, you know, I saw this. I only saw this movie once. This was on the list that Bomber and I have discussed on multiple pods. The list of 50 films that each of us gave to each other to watch. Sort of like a homework assignment one summer. [00:28:09] Speaker A: And just so you know, I got two from your list coming up. So just so you know. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Awesome. That's so good to hear. So there you go. That's kind of what it's about, right? So you showed me all these great films that I'd never seen and this one blew me away. And I had seen, I should say. I don't remember if I watched. I think you gave me white. What was. What's the one where you know. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Whitey. [00:28:32] Speaker B: Top of the World, White Heat. Yeah, I think I'd seen that one before. This. Is that the one where he shoves the cantaloupe in the woman's face or whatever. [00:28:39] Speaker A: That's the Public Enemy. [00:28:41] Speaker B: That one I think you showed me. [00:28:42] Speaker A: Yes, that one was. I wasn't sure if it was. Yeah, I guessed it was. [00:28:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think it was. So I watched, I watched these lists. Okay. He plays a gangster, like. And you know, he's one of those. Those old timey gangster actors ever g round, you know, so. So I kind of. And I, I knew of him obviously. So in my head he's always been pigeonholed as that kind of actor. So when I saw him in this film, it kind of blew me away. Not only that, this is a fantastic film. It's an amazing performance. It's a fearless performance. It must have been amazing to see him do these things after knowing him, you know, as being just this sort of one note. Not that he was. I don't really know. I'm kind of talking out my ass with this particular one. But I, I just loved, I loved his performance. I loved everything about it. I remember I got choked up at the end. It was a great ending. It was such a. Such an American film. It was such a, such a, such a talented performance. And he just. Yeah, it was just. It's a feel good movie and, and I had to put it on the list like I love. I haven't watched it since. Since then. Yeah, man. Did. Did it resonate with me? That was one of my five star. I'm sorry. One of my four star films from that list for sure. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Awesome. I can't. It's Great. Yeah. In fact, they do play it. They have since I was a kid. I believe they play it on certain classic movies at 8 o' clock at night on 4th of July. It's had that slot since I was a kid. It's like a gambling. It is. It's a phenomenal film. That's a great pick. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Wonderful. I knew you'd like that. Like I said, I didn't do it on purpose. It just kind of happened. So. Yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker A: All right, I, I'm looking forward to hearing the rest. Now. This is very interesting. [00:30:12] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, number five, what do you got? [00:30:14] Speaker A: All right, well, my number five is one that I believe helped me win some money at the time. But this is not why. This is not why it's number five. But I went. Adrien Brody with the Pianist. Yes, I, I, I, I something. [00:30:30] Speaker B: It's. [00:30:31] Speaker A: This is one of those movies that is, I, I think we talked about this before on the poverty like a Schindler's List kind of. Where for me personally, you know, you have to be in the right mindset to sit down and watch this because you know you're gonna get into some serious here, you know. And I saw this movie in the theater. Hadn't seen it since, like last month. For some reason, me and Alice was poking through different movies you wanted the other one to see, and this was on our list. And she was like, all right, let's, let's check it out. And the same, same thing. It's just as. He's just as good as it was when I watched. I mean, he is just amazing in this. And, and the movie is obviously heartbreaking and, you know, based on a true story, obviously, you know, he is. And I remember watching it saying how. Because he's basically in the whole thing, you know, you're, what, you're following him. And he goes from this happy life. He has all this talent and everything, and then he gets, you know, obviously pulled into this, you know, World War II nonsense with the Jews getting pulled away and now they have to survive and all this, and then he has nothing and he's freezing cold and he's starving. There's so many layers to it that when I, and I didn't know who the hell the guy was when I saw the movie, you know, and I was like, you know, this guy was unbelievable. It blew me away when I saw the movie and I said, this guy should definitely win an Oscar for this, you know, and he did. And I think it was an upset at the time. And I've never Seen the Brutalist, which I know he won for last year or the year before there, but I. I just loved him. Since then. I loved him. When I saw the movie, I said, this guy was great. It was. The performance just hit me and it blew me away. And it's had to be on the list. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Well done. I tell you what, that's one of those instances again where I think Hollywood got it right. Like, despite the fact that he wasn't the favorite, despite the fact that, you know, he was in contention for that. But I don't remember who he was going up against, but I remember that there were. [00:32:08] Speaker A: There were big names. Definitely. Yes. [00:32:10] Speaker B: Big names. Right. And then you were the only one who picked him, and you picked him. You made the classic mistake that actually wasn't a mistake where you. You went with who you think should win, not who you think is going to win. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:24] Speaker B: But it paid off. [00:32:25] Speaker A: My favorite. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Watch that too. Yeah, I think they watched it and they were like, holy, this guy's too good. This movie's too good. This guy's. That performance too good. We can't not give it to him. You know what I mean? [00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:35] Speaker B: It's one of those. To the fact. Right. I can't believe I've never seen this movie. I've still never seen it, believe it or not, but. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Oh, you've never seen the Pianist? [00:32:43] Speaker B: No. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Okay. [00:32:45] Speaker B: I like Adrian Brody. I've seen the Brutalist, and he was absolutely phenomenal. It's actually one of my honorable mentions. I had to. He was. He was insanely good. And I imagine it's. It's. It's a great companion piece to the Pianist. Similar. Similar films. I think he's a Hungarian Jew in the Brutalist, comes to America, just tries to make his way, and he. He's. He's a remarkable actor. He really is. I wish my opinion of him wasn't tainted by that Halle Berry shit that he pulled at the Oscars. Remember that? [00:33:13] Speaker A: Bizarre. Yeah. And then did they recreate that later on? Or am I misremembering that maybe? [00:33:18] Speaker B: Did they? I thought they did feel a little better. I forget she poked a little fun at it, but, I mean, that was bizarre. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it was weird. [00:33:23] Speaker B: That was weird. You know, it's right up there with the. I mean, not as bad and not as egregious, but the Will Smith thing, like, it's just these people, like, you know, a billion people are watching. Just don't. Don't be an asshole. Just. My God, just say thank you and move on. Like, seriously, knock it off with this stuff. [00:33:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:37] Speaker B: That being said, I like Adrian Brody. He was freaking awesome on Peaky Blinders. He's even good in the Terminator, the Predator movie. [00:33:44] Speaker A: I just, you know, I love that one last year. I love the one. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Predators. So. Yeah, totally. It's a great pick. It's a great pick. He's a great actor. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Appreciate it. [00:33:53] Speaker B: All right, let's move on. Number four. All right, heavy hitters right off the bat here. Let's go. So we got Marlon Brando and the Godfather. That's what we're doing here. I don't know how I could not put this on the list. Now, here's the caveat here. What I was mentioning before. As far as the people who didn't win, like, I think Pacino in two is better than Brando is in one. De Niro deservedly won for two. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:15] Speaker B: But I think. I think not only that, I think Pacino was good at better in two and three than Brando was in one. I'm not gonna say Pacino was better than him in one, but I think for sure, two and three or better performances than Brando here. But that being said, this is one of the most iconic performances of all time. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. So, you know, maybe I'm a little biased here, but I think Brando is incredible in this. I don't haven't seen much of Brando. You know, I know you. You showed me a couple. I think I saw. I watched on the Waterfront on my own, and maybe Streetcar was on there. I'm not sure. But I've seen those two. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Obviously, I've never seen Shree Car. I, I. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Well, then I saw it on my own. [00:34:54] Speaker A: Then. I definitely saw, actually, two of my honorable mentions I was given away on the Waterfront and the Godfather. The Godfather. It's one of those that probably should be here, but it's like, you know, but it is, like you said, what's a more iconic performance than that? I mean, I. It is hard to pick. To pick that. Yeah. [00:35:09] Speaker B: I think that's what. I think that's what landed it on the list. It's just so iconic, and it obviously, it's got some Oscar. You know, it's the ultimate Oscar trivia question. Right. But between him and George C. Scott, the only two people who've ever refused an Oscar. So that's always, you know, Sasheen, little feather up there. I could see her in my. Just, you know, accepting the Oscar on his behalf. So it it's got some nice Oscar minutia there, some little trivia, but Brando was just. He commanded the screen, man. Like. Like, you. You. You can. You could even get that sense of awe from the other actors in that movie when they're acting in a scene with him. You know what I mean? It's. It's just the. The. The. And he was obviously past his prime. You know, he's. He's. You know, he's Marlon brando in the 70s. This isn't the 50s, but he's just. He commands the screen. He's. The bravado is still there. Like, you know, you. You get. Even if you didn't know who Brando was, you get the sense that this guy had some, you know, some. Just some cred, you know, and he's. He was just. He was incredible in it. And, uh, it's a large part of what made that movie the classic that it is. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Did you ever see Apocalypse Now? [00:36:16] Speaker B: I did, yeah. And I liked him in that. It was an oddball role, and he was only in it for a few minutes at the end, but I still. I do like it a lot. Yeah. It's a great movie. [00:36:25] Speaker A: And then we also. I don't know if you remember, at one point, I think me and you and Drew. I'm trying to. He did maybe his last movie, the Score. Do you remember that movie? [00:36:32] Speaker B: We saw that in the theaters, didn't we? [00:36:34] Speaker A: I think so. Was De Niro in that, too? [00:36:36] Speaker B: Like, whoever said it was? Yeah, it was De Niro. Ed Norton. [00:36:40] Speaker A: That's right. You're right. I think you're right. [00:36:42] Speaker B: It was a forgettable film. I remember that because I was dating that girl. I think it was like, me, you, Drew, and my date. [00:36:49] Speaker A: It was the weirdest, right? [00:36:50] Speaker B: Weirdest trip ever. I think we just. Our plans fell through. We're like, all right, what are you guys doing? So let's go to Stuart's Root Beer and then go see the score. It was. It was terrible. Terrible night, but, yeah. So, Marlon Brandon. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Oh, great. I. I have to say 100. Yeah. That. That was another movie that I had never seen that you showed me there. And. But I didn't include that. But I did include this one, which is on your list here. If I can go to my number four here. I. I don't know if we're gonna hear from this later on, but I had to put De Niro from Raging Bull. We got nice. You know, I think this is the best performance he's done, and I think this is still probably my. If I had to pick my favorite Scorsese movie or probably this. I was in love with the movie. And I know I'm an old soul, and I know I. It's not just because it was in black and white and all that shit. I just thought the movie was fucking great. And he was great. And Pesci was great, too. I mean, you know, two of them, obviously, but incredible. It's just amazing. All the shit. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Moriarty was incredible. The whole. Incredible on that. [00:37:48] Speaker A: It was. And it just felt so gritty, so real. You felt like you were right there with them in the kitchen when they're fighting him, he pulls Pesci Ever after. You, you know, you, my wife, all that. Everything about it, it. And let alone the boxing scenes, which was interesting because having loved Rocky so much, I kept thinking about how they made that. They made boxing entertainment and fun. This one kind of made it like. You kind of got the brutality part of it here, you know what I mean? Because he gets his for sure ass kicked a lot of times. [00:38:14] Speaker B: And this is like, oh, with the Sugar Ray Leonard fight where he just refused to go down, but his face was just getting pulverized. That was like Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Bay Robinson. I'm sorry, Sugar Leonard. Sugar Ray Robinson. [00:38:24] Speaker A: That was almost like a horror film. [00:38:25] Speaker B: Watching some of that, though, it really was, right. It was. It was incredible. He was a man. He was a brawler man. Jesus. Jake Lamata and everything with the. [00:38:33] Speaker A: With the. With the weight gain and all that and the, you know, all that. Just very, very. You know, it's just another level of performance there that you have to put it on. In my opinion, that belongs in there. I mean, you know, what are we doing here? [00:38:44] Speaker B: You know? No, it's a great pick. And the black and white, what a great choice by Scorsese there. You know, it's. It's. It's. It can be. It could be a failure or it could be pretentious when people do that. But I think it was an absolutely amazing choice. Really gave it that. That sort of nostalgic feel, you know? I mean, it really gave it that, like, oh, my God, we really are, you know, back in that time, and we're watching the way boxing was and the way marriage was set up, especially in, like, Italian New York and. Oh, my God, it was. [00:39:12] Speaker A: It was great. [00:39:13] Speaker B: You're right. Pesci was so underrated in that role. So underrated. Yeah, he was amazing. [00:39:17] Speaker A: No, it was definitely a film that I've gone back to a few times and you know, actually it's one I definitely have to show Allison too, because she has, has not seen that. But yeah, it was, it was definitely one that hit me when I. Again, I forget when you say four stories. We, we did our list there with the four. That was a four star banger for me, definitely. So. And he deserved it. So I was glad that. That. [00:39:37] Speaker B: What a self destructive. I mean, it was hard to watch that performance at times. You know what I mean? It's hard to watch his self destructiveness the way he just sort of kind of had it all and just kind of just kind of threw it away because he couldn't just change who he was. It's, it's, it's. It's an incredible, incredible character study and just an incredible performance. I'm totally with you. Great, great, great pick. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Great. All right, well, we're doing pretty good here. [00:40:01] Speaker B: We are doing pretty good. All right, so number three, this is, this one's not going to shock anybody, but I had to put it on here. This is Anthony Hopkins, Silence of the Lambs. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Honorable mention for me, definitely. Yes. [00:40:10] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, look, we talk about iconic, you know, Marlon Brando, this is not quite that, but it's damn close. I mean, Hannibal Lecter, the way Hopkins took this role, that had been done before by someone, this character was played on screen before, but, but man, he really, really made it his own. This was one of those great, great convergences of just like the right director, the right actors, the right writing, the right time, the right editing. I mean, this movie was just phenomenal. It's one of those weird. Like it was a thriller, but it was, you know, epic and it had these top notch performances. I mean, this screams best picture to me and best actor because that's, you know, what we're talking about, obviously. Yeah, but this was one of those. This was, this was the big. The big four, right? This is one of the ones. This was the first one since Cuckoo's Nest, right, to win. You know, actor, director, picture and actress and all also deserved. But Hopkins, man, frightening. Like a. Like, who would have thought that dude would be like one of the most iconic, like really horror villains of all time? Like, he really. I mean, this is a thriller because it's well made, but this is like one bad line away from being a horror movie. But it still would have been an incredible horror movie and it still would have been an absolutely frightening performance. He's just incredible. He's just locked in. Like he's just, he's just, you Know, he is that character. Like, when you see him for the first time, just the way he's standing, it's. It's. It's. It's off putting, you know, and then obviously what happens after that is just the stuff of legends. But the way he delivered his lines, the way he just. [00:41:50] Speaker A: I mean, it's. [00:41:51] Speaker B: It's just an incredible performance. It's. It's so up there. That's why it's number three. [00:41:55] Speaker A: It's like the ultimate creepy, bone chilling. Like, you just. You want to get the. Away as soon as you see him kind of thing. It's like, I don't. I want nothing to do with this. It's like, you know, 100. [00:42:06] Speaker B: That's what, like, my daughter says. Like, you know, because she could watch any of these horror movies with ghosts or phantoms or demons or the devil. She don't care about, like, if it's a real life thing. [00:42:14] Speaker A: Right. That's different. Yeah. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Frozen in the Tracks. And this is one of the rare cases where I agree with her, where I'm like. Like you said. No, no, no, no, no. I think I'd. If I ever thought I was gonna be alone with this gu. Myself, There's. I mean, honestly, like, there's. I could not handle it. It's just. That's how perfect and frightening that performance is. It's pretty crazy. [00:42:34] Speaker A: It's funny, too, because you get almost. You get two kind of crazy ones because you get Buffalo Bill in there too, who's another wacky character. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And a great role. You know, that was a great role and a great character. You know, I used to know that actor's name. I can't remember now, but. But he was great. And Heat too. I like him. [00:42:49] Speaker A: I. I love him. I love them on Monk. He played the police chief. [00:42:53] Speaker B: Oh, he was on Monk. Nice. [00:42:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And he plays a good guy. [00:42:55] Speaker B: So good. That voice is so unique. [00:42:58] Speaker A: But. Yeah. You know, one thing I was gonna say, too, about Anthony Hopkins is that he. He kind of has this line that he kind of balances between. Of actually being a mentally insane person, but also kind of being insanely intelligent and, like, you know, like. I don't know how to describe it. Like, it was so insane how looking at him, you're like, this is. You know, is this guy like Jody Foster's looking at him like, you know, what does this deal with this guy? [00:43:29] Speaker B: But you're. [00:43:30] Speaker A: As much as you want to run away, you're so curious about him, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and she played that great too. [00:43:36] Speaker B: Like, you know, like. And believe me, when our best actress list comes out like that, that's gonna be a contention big time. Because she played it like that where she was this naive FBI agent and she was scared shitless, but she was also intrigued. She was also like, wow, there's really something going on with this guy that if I can just keep it, you know, keep this wall between us. I would love to study. I would like, you know, there's a hint of that in her performance and it's really incredible. [00:43:58] Speaker A: There's. [00:43:58] Speaker B: There's a sense of awe. [00:44:00] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Of his just command of, you know, dialogue and, and, and presence and just his performance, you know, so, so it's a brilliant performance on her part too. And I'm sure they fed off each other. You know, when you have two actors like that going back and forth, it must be incredible. I'm not an actor, but I feel like that would, you know, do nothing but help the other actors performance. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Definitely. Yeah. And I was gonna say he. [00:44:25] Speaker B: So. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Real quick. I was just saying he won another Oscar. I didn't know that he won in 2020 for the father. I don't even remember that. I forgot that was a Covid year. [00:44:34] Speaker A: My buddy Dan is in sag. He gave me the DVD to watch because they get the DVD screeners for the saga wars, like to vote on and stuff like that. Yeah, he gave me the one for the father, but I read up on it, looked. It looks so depressing. I was like, I don't know if I can sit through. [00:44:45] Speaker B: He's got dementia or something. I think. Yeah, I might find that. [00:44:47] Speaker A: I have not seen it. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I never watched either. I never watched Still Alice. Do you ever watch that one? I think that's the one that Rebecca Julianne Moore won for. [00:44:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you're right. I never did see it. [00:44:58] Speaker B: But she's got Alzheimer's. You know, I'm really. I mean, I work in assisted living now, so, you know, I, I see it every day. So I, I might have to revisit, but I'm gonna have to visit both of those and see. See what's going on. Because she's an amazing actress too. Speaking of Boogie Nights and, and I know she won for that and I might want to check that out, but I want to check out the father. I didn't know that he had won that, honestly. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Said it, to be honest. Yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker B: I was like, God, is that his only Oscar? And I looked, I was, you know, he just won like, six years ago. So it's definitely Anthony Hopkins. Man. [00:45:24] Speaker A: Great pick. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Amazing. [00:45:25] Speaker A: It's another one. I mean, you got. You got, you know, Hannibal Lecter and you know Vito Corleone back to back. What's. What's more, movie villains, they're always in the top five right there. If you want to make a list, they got to be there. No, I mean, you know, so true. [00:45:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Iconic. So what do you got? Number three? [00:45:41] Speaker A: All right, we're moving on. Now, this might be a little controversial here, but when I was going through the list, I had, you know, I. I think this was on your list. To me, I could be wrong about that, but I pretty sure this was. I had to put. You might be like, what the fuck is this guy doing right now? [00:45:59] Speaker B: Hit me. [00:46:00] Speaker A: I put, believe it or not, I. For me, Roberto Benigni, Life is Beautiful. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Was that on your list? For me? Yeah, it was, right? That's right. [00:46:09] Speaker B: Definitely. I love that movie. [00:46:11] Speaker A: This movie definitely hit me. And again, it's one of these things where it was, like, not knowing who the hell this person was. And again, knowing that this reminds me of Adrian Brody with the penis, where I'm like, all right, now we're gonna go into some Holocaust thing here again. I gotta. You know, all right, we're gonna sit through this, which is going to be hard to do and everything, but the first. You know, the first half of the movie, to me was almost like a Charlie Chaplin film. It was like a great comedy romance. I was like. I was so. I was like, what a happy, joyful thing. And then, of course, you go to the other part, and then it gets. It's just such a sad. What a heart, heartfelt thing for him to try to entertain the boy and not, you know, realizing what he's really into or in. In four. And again, you watch some of these movies now, it's. It's. You know, I don't know. I always think about people complaining about their lives. I'm like, could you imagine being in. You know, imagine living this life? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I watched and, you know, it's funny. It's like when you mentioned Marlon Brando before, I forgot to say that the. The last movie Charlie Chaplin actually made was called. I've never seen it. Actually. It's called the Countess from Hong Kong, and it's with Marlon Brando and Sophia Lorenzo. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Wow. How old was Charlie Chaplin? [00:47:26] Speaker A: He. He played. He only played a bit part in it. He was very old, you know, But. But the Movie always gets very bad ratings. So I, But I've never seen. I definitely want to check it out, but for some reason, something about the way that this guy's performance was or just the way the storyline was, I was like, this seems like, like especially the first half hour to me was like a. One of the Charlie Chaplin short films. It was, it was so great. And then was that. [00:47:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. [00:47:55] Speaker A: But, but, you know, and again, this. There was a part. Now I want to get your take on this. You know, you brought up the Adrian Brody kissing Halle Berry thing at the Oscars. [00:48:06] Speaker B: See this. I like. I know where you're going. I was gonna say good. [00:48:09] Speaker A: This is one of those ones where I'm like, I wish every actor did that had this energy. Again. This is where I feel like if it was like the Joe blow down the block again. This guy has been a big performer overseas though. He's a foreign guy or Italian or whatever. Like he. What I'm saying is he makes films overseas, he doesn't make them here, really. Right. [00:48:25] Speaker B: You know. Sure. Yeah. So this was like his breakthrough in [00:48:28] Speaker A: America and it's like, you know, so anybody that wins, they, they walk down it. This guy made like he was at a football game. Like, I loved the energy that he had. [00:48:35] Speaker B: I loved it. [00:48:36] Speaker A: I love the whole thing. [00:48:37] Speaker B: He pulled it. He pulled the Crocodile Dundee. He was walking on the chairs. Remember? Like he walked up to this like banging the Spielberg. [00:48:42] Speaker A: And like I'm trying to remember the whole thing. [00:48:43] Speaker B: He stepped on. I think he stepped on what's Her Face from West Wing. I think he stepped on her head or something. [00:48:49] Speaker A: I don't remember that. It was. Oh, really? [00:48:52] Speaker B: I think so. Yeah. And he definitely. He put his hand on Spielberg's head. I think I remember walking up. But like you said, the energy, like, who didn't love this guy? You know, I mean, the movie, like it's sort of the movie kind of per. Like it's. Movie's clearly him. You know, I mean, that character is really what he would do in that, in that moment, you know. And folks, if you haven't seen it real quick just to describe. So it, you know, it's about. He's, you know, he's. He's a Jew in the Holocaust and he's trying to shield his son from the horrors of the Holocaust. So he just kind of makes up this, this, you know, story about how like they're not really in a concentration camp. They're, you know, they're actually doing fun things and like whenever he's engaging with his son. He's just. He's laughing and he's trying to shield his, you know, his kid from. From. From being emotionally scarred. And I think, because. Because when you think about, like, oh, my God, he would still. When he got older, he would realize what was happening. And, you know, but like, I think he did protect his son from like those, Those scars that, that take hold when stuff happens. Right? [00:49:47] Speaker A: Like. [00:49:48] Speaker B: Like, it's. It's. It's a convoluted plot, of course. You know what I mean? But it's a beautiful, beautiful story. And what a wonderful, you know, sort of. Sort of thing to do, you know. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:49:59] Speaker B: Your son. You know, I'd never heard of anything like this before. I just thought it was a great, original idea. And his performance was absolutely wonderful and heartbreaking and earnest, and he was. He was incredible. This was. This is not an honorable mention, believe it or not. But I did consider it. When I was thinking about it, it's. It's. It's a great movie. Makes me cry every time I see it. And his performances is incredible. You're dead right. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:23] Speaker B: Great pick. [00:50:23] Speaker A: And I think like you said, whatever scars he might have, at least he would definitely remember his dad as being like, what a fucking guy. Like, that's just an amazing thing, man. You know? [00:50:33] Speaker B: So true. And wow, what my father did for me was incredible kind of thing. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. And I feel like it's one of those things. Whereas again, it's like it. When a movie hits you in the heart like that, to me, I had to put it on there. So there it is. So what can we do, you know? [00:50:47] Speaker B: That's a great pick. Great pick. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Now listen, now, we're getting heavy hitters here. [00:50:52] Speaker B: Now, baby. [00:50:53] Speaker A: We're cruising top two here. How do you feel about this top two? [00:50:56] Speaker B: I feel pretty good about my top two. My one was solidified almost instantly. Me too. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Me too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. [00:51:06] Speaker B: So my number two is Daniel Day Lewis and There Will Be Blood. [00:51:11] Speaker A: Ah, yes, yes. I know. You've mentioned them before. I forgot about this. [00:51:13] Speaker B: I know you haven't seen this. You said, you know, the only PTA movie you saw was Boogie Nights. But this is. Well, every PTA movie is great except for one battle. But this is. This is amazing. This is an amazing film. And look, you mentioned, you know, Vito Corleone. You mentioned Hannibal Lecter. I think if it's not already, I think his. Daniel Plainview is going to be up there. Like he's this is. This is one of the. This isn't a flashy performance. It's not like. It's not like Christy Brown where he's playing, you know, a disabled person. It's not like Lincoln, where he's affecting this act, this. This. This different voice, and he's, you know, playing this larger than life character. He's just playing some guy in the 20s, strikes oil, some rich oil tycoon guy. The movie's incredible, but his performance is. It's. It grounds the whole movie. It's mesmerizing. And he is. Man, talk about a character study. When you watch this movie, like, you're not gonna know what to make kind of of him as you move along. Well, I should say you watched the first half of the movie and you're like, all right, this guy's just a, you know, he's all business and he's a tycoon and, you know, blah, blah, on. He just, you know, but then, like, there's just layers upon layers of. Just complex. [00:52:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker B: Just. Just evil kind of just bad going on this guy's head. But he's a genius. And not just the character, but the Daniel Day Lewis is incredible. I've actually never seen My Left Foot, but I have. I mean. Oh, I assume he won the Oscar for that. I assume he was good. [00:52:45] Speaker A: I've seen My Left Foot and Lincoln and yes, he was amazing in both of them. So that's why, you know, I know. I gotta check this. And I love them in Gangs in New York too, by the way. That was another great one. [00:52:54] Speaker B: That's what I was gonna say. That's what he should have won for games. [00:52:56] Speaker A: I agree. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Hands down. I don't know what the people were thinking, but that was one of the best performances of all time. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Like, that would. That. [00:53:03] Speaker B: That might have been. That would have been number two. Not number one, but that would have been number two. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:07] Speaker B: If he had won for that without quite. It would have shot right up. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Yes. [00:53:10] Speaker B: And this would have been number three. So, you know, he. He's. He may be the best actor I've ever seen. He's. He's just incredible. I love everything about him. I love his vibe. I love his choices in film. Like, he doesn't do a lot. He just kind of. Just kind of brings it. And he was just incredible on this. And it's a great movie. It's a movie that you'd never think you would like based on the description or the poster, you know, but like, man did to PTA write an amazing Film and you know, and I loved, I loved him in Phantom Thread. Like, I think him and PTA do some great things together and I would love to see them do, you know, one more film if they can. It was great. But I mean, Daniel Day Lewis, man. So this was his second Oscar on his way to three. So this is. He's in that very exclusive group of men who've won three best actor Oscars. [00:53:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:59] Speaker B: You know, for My Left Foot, for this and then for Lincoln. So, yeah, it's incredible. And the guy, you know, acts again. He'll have a strong shot to win a fourth one, but, you know, he's apparently retired or some. [00:54:09] Speaker A: No doubt out. They might even call it the Daniel Day Lewis Award at this point. What are we doing here? [00:54:13] Speaker B: I mean, I wouldn't argue it. He's, like I said, he's. He's probably pound for pound performance for performance. The best actor alive. Like I said, my number one, I think is better. It's a better performance than any of the ones he's done. But I mean, he, if he always brings 99 this one, you know, this guy got lucky with 100. My number one, you know, the one time not lucky, but you know what I'm saying, like, you know, this was just too stellar to ignore, but Dale Day Lewis, absolutely incredible. [00:54:40] Speaker A: Wow. [00:54:41] Speaker B: And you know, and I know that's like, come on, it's. But like, there are reason that there's a reason why everyone says he's the greatest actors because, spoiler alert, he's the greatest actor. So I don't know. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Listen, I, I have nothing to say there. You know, what can we say? [00:54:55] Speaker B: You know, what can we say? [00:54:57] Speaker A: It's funny. It's funny. The way you described There Will Be Blood too is kind of like making me think of the same thing. Like one of the reasons why I've kind of stayed away because I'm like, ah, it seems like it's going to be rough. A rough, rough go here. It's like a very, it seems like a very negative movie to me. That's. I'm like, you know, but I'll have to check it out, obviously. You know, it's. [00:55:15] Speaker B: It's fascinating actually. And yeah, I mean, it is. You got to be in the mood to watch that. You can't just, you know, throw it. I mean, that's not true, actually. I've thrown it on. I probably watched that three or four times. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Well, now that you've seen it. But I'm saying, like, if you have never seen it, you Got first time. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, if I wasn't so high on Paul Thomas Anderson, I might not have. [00:55:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Been so excited to watch it, you know, but after seeing, you know, Magnolia and all these other movies that I love from him, I was like, you know what? How about watch it? [00:55:39] Speaker A: Did you ever see Lasted Mohicans? [00:55:42] Speaker B: No, I never saw that one. No, I heard it was good in that, too, but I've never seen that one. I never saw that one. I never saw. There was one where he played. Was it the boxer or something? He was, yeah. [00:55:51] Speaker A: I forget the name. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Him and Emma Thompson. I want to say I never saw that. [00:55:56] Speaker A: Yeah, there. [00:55:57] Speaker B: A lot of them never see. Oh, no, no. In the Name of the Father is what I'm thinking. Oh, with him and Pete Pothwaite, the. The late. Great. I don't think I'm saying his last name right, but whatever. [00:56:06] Speaker A: I thought he did play a boxer or something, though, didn't he? [00:56:08] Speaker B: I thought he did, too, but maybe I'm getting that confused with Cinderella man or something. I don't know. But he was definitely. In the Name of the Father was a movie that I want to say I saw bits and pieces of back in the day, and it was kind of good, but I never watched the whole thing. So. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:56:21] Speaker B: So what can you do? But, yeah, hey, someday. Plenty of time. I'll get. I'll get Daniel Lewis down. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, very good pick there. Like I said, I've never seen that one. I got to get around to that. What can we do now? You know, now you went. You went for something that was definitely, you know, more what I would say would be considered to be real acting here, because I decided to go just for something that I think was just. It's a movie I love, and I just loved his performance in it. I know this is nowhere near on the same level, if to be honest with you, but I had to put Clark Gable from It Happened One Night. [00:56:53] Speaker B: Love it. [00:56:53] Speaker A: I love the movie. I loved him in it. And, you know, it's one of those things where, again, now, he didn't win for Gone with the Wind. And it's funny, I watched this movie with Allison recently. It's not a movie that I grew up loving. I saw it once with my ex girlfriend. My parents were not fans of this. They never showed it to me as much as we loved all the old movies and everything and we watched the given Allison, I gotta tell you, it's amazing to me that this movie is regarded the way it is. I found it to be Very overlong, very boring. And, you know, now I think Vivien Leigh won best actress, but I found it to be an annoying. And maybe it's not her, it's the character itself. But to me, the only reason to watch the movie is Clark Gable. And he didn't even win for that, you know, but he wins for this. And it's just. It's just a fun movie. And he's just fun, you know, and it has touching moments. I do believe that he's deep. He does fall in love with her in the movie. I like that she puts him in his place during the movie at certain times. And, you know, because he starts out, this brash guy, he knows how to do everything. And then, you know, then when he, you know, he's teaching her how to do the hitchhiking, obviously. That famous scene there, we've talked about that on the pod many times. [00:57:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:56] Speaker A: You know, he kind of gets shot down and then I'm gonna mess up the dialogue there. But at one point when he's talking to her father, he goes, he's trying to tell him that the father's trying to tell him he's crazy. And he's like, yes, I am crazy. I'm in love with your daughter kind of thing. It's like, you know, he's very. It's basically just him being him, which I think that's a lot of actors have. But to me, this was the best of him doing that. Like, I just loved him in it. I was like, when I watch this, I'm like, I'm. I could watch him do anything now because I think he's great. And it's just such a fun movie too. So, yeah, I had to put it on there. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Great movie. I love. That was on your list. That was another four star movie that was up there. Maybe there were four or five, maybe five or six four star movies out of the 50 that you gave me. And that was one of them. That was. That was so much fun to watch. And he was great, like you said. And look, a lot of times it's not about like, you know, crying and, you know, getting mauled by a bear and dragging yourself, you know, back to civilization. A lot of times it's about just being insanely charming and entertaining people. Right. I mean, one of my favorite Oscar wins of all time is Kevin Klein winning for Fish Cold Water. He was insanely fun in that movie and I'm so glad that you know that. The Academy, I know it's supporting actor category, but still. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:59:08] Speaker B: Why not every once in a while, throw it to somebody who just. Who just, like, charmed the whole country, you know, that year, watching that movie, you know, and, you know, there had never been a romantic comedy before, you know, before It Happened One Night, you know, so. [00:59:19] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Well deserved, man. I love that movie. And that's. Yeah, that's a great pick, man. Who wouldn't say that Clark Gable, you know, is in the same category as, like, Daniel Day Lewis? [00:59:30] Speaker A: It's always hard to. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Clark Gable, you know, it's hard to compare. [00:59:32] Speaker A: It's almost like athletes, when you try to go. This guy would kill in that era. It's like, it's such a different world, different ball game. It's very hard to do that. So it's like, you know, what are we doing here? You know? But, yeah, I just thought. And it's funny, too, because the last movie he made was actually the same as the. Is the last movie Marilyn Monroe made. I actually watched it last year called the Misfits. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Okay, I've heard of that. [00:59:51] Speaker A: I found that to be boring as hell, to be honest with you. I'm so curious. But, you know, it gets very high ratings. But I was like, I don't know what the big deal is with this. I mean, you know, I mean, they were both good in it. And Montgomery Cliff's in it. Eli Wallach is in it. But. But it was just. To me, I found the whole thing to be kind of long and boring to me. I don't know. But even he couldn't save that one. But. But I've always found them to be very engaging. And, you know, I've probably only seen about six or seven films that he's done, but. But this was always my favorite one. I. I just think it's just a great, great performance. What can we say here? You know, it is. [01:00:21] Speaker B: I had so much fun watching it. That's a good pick, man. It's a great pick. [01:00:25] Speaker A: And now it's. [01:00:26] Speaker B: So [01:00:28] Speaker A: we're gonna have a. Just gonna take some time here now. What do you got? [01:00:30] Speaker B: No, you know what? I'm gonna rip through them. So these are the ones that were in contention, like I said, the aforementioned Roberto Benini. I don't officially have it as my honorable mention, but I should have. That's a great pick. So George C. Scott in Patton. He was incredible. Yeah, I. You know, I'm not a fan of his, per se. I think I've only seen maybe one other movie he was in. You know what. What am I saying? That's not true. I loved him in Dr. Strangelove and I liked him in What Else Did I Say? Yeah, maybe that was the only one I saw. [01:00:59] Speaker A: I've seen the Hustler. He was in that. That was the only other one I've seen. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Oh, I never did. Okay, there you go. So, yeah, George C. Scott. I gotta throw Tom Hanks in Philadelphia. Love that performance. [01:01:10] Speaker A: I've never seen that. Yeah. [01:01:11] Speaker B: Wow, that's a good one. You know, I think it was a better performance than Forrest Gump, Even though I like Forrest Gump. And I think, you know, it was. It was a good win. But I think Philadelphia. He was absolutely incredible. Great, great performance there. I did put Kevin Spacey in American Beauty as one of my honorable mentions. [01:01:26] Speaker A: Wow. Nice, nice. [01:01:27] Speaker B: Like I said, you know, there's something about him. You know, there's something behind his eyes where he just, as an actor, you get the feeling he just kind of knows what's going on more than everybody else. You know, there's an air of almost annoying confidence about. [01:01:45] Speaker A: That's a great way to put it. That's really a great way to put it. [01:01:48] Speaker B: But it's engaging, so you kind of can't help but. But enjoy it. Look, I put Denzel for Training Day, but I wish this was Denzel for Hurricane. Yeah, it was a much better performance in Hurricane. And I love Training Day. And Denzel was amazing in Training Day. I thought the writing let him down a little bit at the end of Training Day, but he was absolutely incredible. Love Denzel. And I love that movie. It's such a rewatchable movie. I've seen that a million times. Had to mention that couple more Daniel Day Lewis and Lincoln. I had to put that, you know. You know, he's incredible. And I mentioned gangs in New York already. Like, I wish that was in there. And then I do have Adrian Brody for the Brutalist. Like I. I thought when I first started doing this, he would make the top five. It's an absolutely. Just heartfelt, gut wrenching performance. He's an incredible actor. We talked about him before. So I'm not gonna go on and on, but that's definitely an honorable mention there. What do you got? [01:02:46] Speaker A: No, it's funny, like we talked about before, we go on and on, but, you know, we've talked about a lot of things on and on on this like before, and we're just. We're going and going, you know. [01:02:54] Speaker B: Well, at least we're self aware. Any comments on those honorable mentions there before I go to my number one? [01:02:59] Speaker A: You Know, I loved all of those. Except obviously I didn't see the Philadelphia. I didn't see Philadelphia. And I know I'm gonna. This is another anti take here that people. I was never a big Forrest Gump guy, you know, it was fine. I mean, he was phenomenal, obviously. But I. Yeah, I mean, again, it came around to Kevin Spacey when I saw that film. Again, I love that movie. And yeah, Denzel, again, I agree with you. 100. It's funny. It's like my brother is in love with that movie Training Day. He's seen. He's seen it a million times. But. But I'm like, I. I don't know if he should have won for that. I think he should have won for something else. It seemed like one of those things they were doing, especially at that time, handing it for the one year before. I'd never seen the Hurricane. [01:03:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:40] Speaker A: But I mean, he's been so good in so many things. It's like, you know, just let him. Let him get his fucking Oscar kind [01:03:45] Speaker B: of know, it's funny, it's started with. Because that. That was three years in a row there where like the Oscars kind of fucked up and they kept throwing makeup calls like a bad ref. You know what I mean? So, like, I remember that in 1999, Russell Crowe really should have won for the Insider. [01:04:00] Speaker A: Right. [01:04:01] Speaker B: He played Jeffrey Wigan. He really should have won. That was an amazing film, an underrated film. He didn't win for that. Right. So the following year, when Hurricane. When Denzel Washington was absolutely incredible as Reuben Carter, he should have won. But they gave it to Russell Crowe for Gladiator, and to me, that's a makeup call now. Russell Crowe was fine. I actually love, love Gladiator. [01:04:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Who doesn't? [01:04:22] Speaker B: But Gladiator is freaking awesome. [01:04:24] Speaker A: But I didn't see Hurricanes. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Such a guy movie. But I mean, yeah, if you. Well, when you watch it, you'll know, like, you know, it's not the same thing. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:30] Speaker B: But then Denzel doesn't. So they give it to Training Day, you know, in 20 to make up for the 2000. It's like, come on. Like, just, just get your together now. Now, who won in 2001? Well, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But yeah, so the Oscars do that sometimes. They have makeup calls. They give these lifetime achievement. Not awards, but they give the Oscars to people who have, you know, Don Ameche and Cocoon comes to mind. Right? Like one of those awards they just give for a lifetime of service. You know, there's. There's lifetime achievement awards for that. [01:04:59] Speaker A: I know. [01:05:00] Speaker B: Don't take away from somebody else because that's right. You know, Samuel Jackson should have won over Martin Landau in 94. I'm sorry, you know what I mean? For Pulp Fiction. But, you know, they give it to him for Ed Wood. [01:05:10] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:11] Speaker B: Is it because he's been around? Samuel Jackson's performance was so controversial was. Because that movie was sort of out of left field and people weren't ready for it yet. Yeah, I don't think so, because it got nominated for all. Pulp 13 got nominated for a bunch of. So, yeah, I think they just ended up giving it to. To the old guy because he's been around for a long time, which I [01:05:30] Speaker A: feel like lately they haven't. Have they done that lately? Because I feel like I said last year, they gave it to Adrian Brody, who's already won. I thought that was a kind of a cool thing. You know what I mean? [01:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah. They would have given it to Demi Moore instead of, you know, if. If they truly thought. If they wanted to do that instead of Mikey Madison. So. Yeah. [01:05:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:46] Speaker B: So I don't think they're doing it anymore. So they smartened up on that one, I guess. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Wow. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Let's hear some honorable mentions. What do you got? [01:05:54] Speaker A: So. Well, obviously, I have a lot of old ones that I love. First of all, you would love this. I love, as, you know, the old Universal monster movies. But I. One movie I never saw because it wasn't a Universal monster movie. So basically, if you like the Universal monsters, you love Boris Karloff, you love Bela Lugosi, you know, the original. [01:06:15] Speaker B: On. [01:06:15] Speaker A: Was that. [01:06:16] Speaker B: No love for Lon. [01:06:17] Speaker A: I love Lon Chaney, too. Yes. I shouldn't. I don't mean to say that you're right about that, but I was going to say. Well, maybe I didn't mention him because this movie came out before he was. He was even on the radar. The original Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with. Well, I guess it's not original because they made a silent version with John Barrymore, actually. But there's a movie that came out, 1932, with Frederick March, who was an actor that I'm not familiar with, and it was not a Universal movie. I think it was mgm. No, no, it wasn't mgm. I forget who it was. But he got. He won the Oscar for this movie. And I rewatched it, like, last year or two years ago. It is actually very phenomenal. You would actually like it. It's. It's very well made. It's very. The cinematography is good, the makeup is good and he is amazing. I think you would really like it for a harm performance to win. I thought that was pretty interesting early on. [01:07:04] Speaker B: That's Frederick March. [01:07:05] Speaker A: Yes. Another movie. I gotta say my dad loved this movie and he showed me this movie as a kid. I haven't rewatched it since but I've watched it so many times with him when I was younger that I remember. I don't. Have you ever heard of Victor McLaughlin for a movie called the Informer? This was 1935. [01:07:21] Speaker B: No, he was in the. [01:07:22] Speaker A: He was actually in Gunga Din which was on my list. I love. [01:07:25] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:25] Speaker A: He, he. And he has a big long fight with John Wayne and the Quiet Man. I don't know if you ever saw that. But he, he was phenomenal in this movie. He's basically like an IRA movie and he, he basically rats out a buddy of his and it's. You're watching him deal with the ramifications of him having ratted out a friend kind of a thing and getting him basically killed. So very, very interesting and deep movie. I liked him in it. Trying to go quick here. I love Gary Cooper in two movies. Sergeant York, which is. I knew nothing about this guy. But another movie my dad showed me, this was a guy that was the most decorated soldier of World War I and he captured like 35 soldiers single handedly, you know, but even better in High Noon. So I put a High Noon on there because I. Who doesn't love that movie? Have you seen that? [01:08:12] Speaker B: Was this close to making my own. High Noon was great. He was good in that. [01:08:18] Speaker A: And real quick, I did see a movie called the Lost Weekend as a Billy Wilder movie that Ray Milan won the Oscar for. I thought he was very good in it. I'm not that familiar with him. He was in a Hitchcock movie called Dial M for Murder. Those are only two movies I ever seen him in. But his performance was very good. I've only seen it once. I kind of want to revisit it. So I didn't really. Couldn't really put it on there. And of course I have, you know, Brando for Godfather and on the Waterfront and I wanted to mention a couple, just a couple other runs. Real quick. I know I'm going on here, but not go. Always loved Ben Hur and I love Charlton Heston and Ben Hur. That was, that was this close to being number five. I wanted to get him in there. I couldn't do it. Always loved John Wayne and I And I. And I. But he won for True Grit, which, again, I think was kind of a lifetime thing. I thought he was great in the movie, but to me, he should have won for the Searchers, which, ironically enough, that movie wasn't even nominated. And what's funny is the movie that won that year was around the world in 80 days. None of the movies that were even nominated or on any of the best movie lists, but the Searchers are usually mentioned in some of. Like, I know AFI had it very high up on their top hundred list. Yeah. And another one I was gonna say was Humphrey Bogart. Now, he won for a movie called the African Queen, which was a good movie. It was fine. But he should have won for the Treasures here on Madre. That was the movie I would have said he should have won for. So I couldn't really put that on. On there for him. And of course, I have Science of the Lands with Hopkins, and I put Daniel Day Lewis with Lincoln as well, because I love Lincoln, and I've always loved Abraham Lincoln himself. So I. It's amazing to me that I didn't even think of him being him until. [01:09:51] Speaker B: What do you mean? [01:09:52] Speaker A: Like, I didn't. I never. I remember being young, obviously, being in love with Abraham Lincoln, being like, I. I would love to see a movie about Abraham Lincoln. You know, which, by the way, I actually got around to. Now. We're gonna go into some podcast history here. I finally did watch the Harriet Tubman movie with Cynthia. [01:10:09] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:10:10] Speaker A: I actually liked it a lot, but it wasn't as I wanted it to be better. She was phenomenal, but I wanted the movie to be better. I think she deserves more. I think she would have been better as a miniseries. Kind of like a TV show about her would kind of be, I think, better. But what I'm saying is, when I was younger, I remember saying, is there a movie about Abraham Lincoln? You know? And I remember Henry Fonda made a movie called, like, the young Mr. Lincoln or something like that. And there's another old actor, Raymond Massey, who made a Lincoln movie, but I never watched any of these. They seemed like, I'm not. But what I'm saying is, when I was trying to picture who would play Abraham Lincoln, I never thought about who would be great. I couldn't find someone to say it. But then when I read that Daniel Day Lewis was gonna play, I'm like, oh, how did I not think of that before? Kind of thing, you know what I'm saying? [01:10:52] Speaker B: Makes total sense. [01:10:52] Speaker A: Perfect. Fuck, yeah. I had to put it in there. Yeah. So, yeah, so I went out for a while there, but, you know, I had to throw out some of my favorite. My favorite ones there. [01:11:00] Speaker B: Some good ones. Man, this is a lot of fun. You know, it, it's fun. You know, like I said, we love the Oscars. We love, you know, just movies and watching these performances and. Yeah, it's part of the fun, man. I want to get all these guys into a five, but you just can't do it, you know. [01:11:13] Speaker A: Well, it's funny. Another one I never saw was. Again, I probably wouldn't put it on there because I don't think it was his best movie, obviously, but the Pacino one, Scent of a Woman, I never saw that. [01:11:22] Speaker B: You know, it's funny. I love, I love Pacino. I love Son of a Woman. I think it was a slightly overrated performance. I think he won that because he didn't win for Godfather. Godfather two. [01:11:32] Speaker A: Yes, 100. [01:11:33] Speaker B: You know, all these other, you know, all these other movies that he did, he could have won for Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, you know, all these greats. So, you know, or, you know, it is what it is. But I'm glad he won. I'm glad he won that. [01:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:44] Speaker B: But, yeah, slightly overrated performance, but a great movie. Real feel good movie. It's a good one. You never saw that, huh? [01:11:49] Speaker A: No, I gotta check it out. Definitely. [01:11:51] Speaker B: It's worth checking out. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. All right, my number one. Let's do it. Look, you already mentioned it. This is my number one. [01:12:00] Speaker A: I had a feeling. [01:12:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's De Niro and Raging Bull, man. Come on. I think I've. Ever since, I've seen, ever since I saw that movie in the, oh, the early 90s, I think I've been telling the world, anyone who wanted to hear, that's the greatest performance I've ever seen and blah, blah, you know, blew me away, man. And you know, for a lot of the great reasons that you mentioned, you know, just the grit, the, the realism, you know, behind this just self destructive dude, you know, the, the, the, the you. I know you didn't mean to be kind of glossed over like the physical transformation he made both ways in that film. Like it's like for 19, I guess it came out in 80, but I guess they were filming it in 79. Like the, the, the way in which he did that, you know, with no modern technology or personal trainers and shit. I mean, I'm sure he had personal trainers, but I mean, to gain the weight and then lose. I mean, he looked like he was the fittest middleweight alive, right? To, like, just being this. This tub of, like a. Has been. It's pretty incredible, the physical transformation he makes. And he, like, he. You know, he wouldn't wear a prosthetic. You know, I mean, like, he. He owns it. Like, he. [01:13:07] Speaker A: That. [01:13:07] Speaker B: That was his weight. It's pretty incredible. [01:13:09] Speaker A: Lcgi. Yeah, right, right. [01:13:12] Speaker B: No cgi, no D. Aging, none of that. He just. Yeah, yeah, just gained weight and lost it. And I mean, he's done that, but he's done that since he did it for Cape Fear. Like, the. The shape he got into for Cape Fear is. Is pretty incredible, you know, and some actors can do that, you know, like, Stallone does that. You know, like, he's really good at doing that. So, I mean, he was anyway, but, you know, look, look, this was his second Oscar. He won best supporting for Godfather 2 in 1974. And, yeah, just six years later, you know, I mean, he wins for this. And, you know, he quickly became probably my favorite actor. You know him. Pacino and I always had a soft spot for Gary Oldman. I've never seen the Darkest Hour. I wanted to watch that. I did this pod because, you know, I love Gary Oldman and he's incredible, and I wanted to see his portrayal of Winston Churchill, but I never got a chance to see it before this pod. [01:14:04] Speaker A: I thought he was phenomenal, but I did find the movie to be a little bit of a snooze fest. But, you know, listen, what can we do? You know, that was my opinion. Doesn't mean you might not. Not find that. [01:14:12] Speaker B: I think you're right, though. Now I think about. I think I did start watching it one time and I got like 20 half hour in. [01:14:18] Speaker A: I was like, your darkest Hour? You were like, I'm not watching this anymore. [01:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's great. He should have got nominated for. He Played Beethoven. This is. [01:14:30] Speaker A: That was on your list. I love that movie. Immortal Beloved. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah, Immortal Beloved. [01:14:34] Speaker A: That was awesome. [01:14:35] Speaker B: I. That movie got ignored and I. I just. I thought he was absolutely incredible in that. Like, if he would have won that, but I might not have made my five, but it would have been. It would have been a top honorable mention. He was incredible, and I love that movie. It's a. Not a very known movie from the early 90s. [01:14:50] Speaker A: Right. [01:14:51] Speaker B: But really, really great film. Yeah. I mean, like I said, you said a lot of it, so what else can I say, man? Raging Bull is just an incredible film, and his performance is. It's absolutely. I've been saying, mesmerizing all the time. It's, It's. It's. It's completely engrossing. And, you know, I think it's a great actor at the top of his game, just bringing it, like, firing all cylinders. Like, he. He just. With Scorsese's direction. And he had already done, what, two Scorsese movies before this, I think, so [01:15:18] Speaker A: at least Taxi Driver and Mean Streets, right? [01:15:20] Speaker B: Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, at least. Yeah, those are the two I was thinking of. So, I mean, he may have. There may have been one more snuck in there, but, yeah, you know, him and. Him and Marty were on the same wavelength. You know, they. They knew what each other was capable of. And, I mean, I think it was just a great combination of directing and acting and writing and just a great movie, and it just. My favorite performance of all time. Whenever I think about a great actor or whenever I think about acting in general, that's the first thing I lock on to, is De Niro in that movie. And, you know, we. [01:15:49] Speaker A: We. [01:15:49] Speaker B: I've been throwing the word iconic around a lot, but I mean, like, talk about this, you know. You know, he's. You know, it's. It's almost more iconic when he does it than when Brando did it in on the Waterfront. You know what I mean? Like, it's almost like when he's doing that, you know, I could have been. I could have been somebody. I could. [01:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:06] Speaker B: I mean, you know, it's kind of more iconic there. And I'll tell you what, it's. Ant man does it in Civil War, right? I'm the boss. I'm the boss. I'm the boss and boss, right? [01:16:15] Speaker A: Like, he's Right, right. [01:16:16] Speaker B: He's doing Raging Bull. You know, he's doing Jake Lamata, so. [01:16:18] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [01:16:20] Speaker B: It's just a great, great performance, man. God had to be my number one. And you knew it. You knew it from. From the. From the. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Well, that's when you said, I kind [01:16:26] Speaker B: of lost it over. [01:16:26] Speaker A: That was one of the reasons why I. I was like, this has got to be coming up. No doubt. [01:16:33] Speaker B: All right, well, thanks for indulging me. So. Yeah, what do you got? Bring us home, man. [01:16:36] Speaker A: Well, as I'm sure you know what's coming up here, you know, my number one of all time has to be. Do you have a guess? [01:16:45] Speaker B: You know what? I don't, actually. Is it James Cagney? [01:16:49] Speaker A: It's got to be Cagney. Yes. [01:16:51] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. That makes total sense. Okay. [01:16:52] Speaker A: You know what's funny is I actually watched the. On the Public Enemy, the movie where you mentioned where he gets slams. The grace grapefruit in the actress's face was made. Her name is May Clark, I believe. [01:17:05] Speaker B: Okay. [01:17:06] Speaker A: There was a documentary on a DVD and about the making of it and everything. And Scorsese was on there. And he kind of mentions the fact that he in him, to him, his opinion. He said acting on film didn't start until Cagney and Public Enemy, you know. [01:17:20] Speaker B: Right. [01:17:21] Speaker A: And it was like one of those things where originally he was cast as the other as the. As the brother and the director. You know, they watched the rushes or whatever and they're like, no, no, your focus immediately goes to him. And that's the way. To me, there's never been an actor that has more energy and more charm and he is just so engaging to watch, you know. And he did do a movie called Footlight Parade, I want to say, where he does tap dance. He did have some dancing background, no question, you know. But to me, growing up, when I watched him, I had. I had seen Angel's Dirty Faces as a kid. My brother, my dad had showed us Public Enemy and White Heat and the roaring 20s is another phenomenal movie with him and Bogart. But, you know, by the time it got to this, I'm like, we were like, I really don't want to watch this. A musical, you know. You know, it was that kind of thing, you know, then you're watching, you're like. To me, it's like watching Imagine. Now, I know Christopher Walken has done musical stuff and you see him kind of dance. But he was like. To me, he wasn't as big of a gangster. Like, like Imagine watching De Niro Pacino tap dance and sing, you know what I'm saying? Like, to watch him do that, to [01:18:21] Speaker B: me, it was like insane to see. [01:18:22] Speaker A: It was like, you know, what a wonderful thing. And it was such a great film and such a fun thing. And so, you know, and it's my kind of thing too, because I love show business and I love the old time theater stories of everything. And. And he plays George M. Cohan. And if you go to New York City on 42nd street, right in Times Square, they still have the big statue of George M. Cohen is there, you know, it's like. And a lot of some of the songs we all know, you're a grand old flag, we all know, in my regards to Broadway. And this guy basically owned Broadway back in the day. And it's like his life Story, which I was sad to read later on that is there are some liberties taken, which of course is Hollywood. What are we gonna do? But, yeah, I gotta go. Cagney. And maybe I think of. I know this is before he won the Oscar, but when they, I think. But when they did the what's Cooking Docker, the Bugs Bunny cartoon, when he thinks he's gonna win the Oscar and they give it to James Cagney, he's all pissed off. Off. I couldn't help think of that, you know? [01:19:13] Speaker B: Right, of course. [01:19:14] Speaker A: But, yeah. [01:19:16] Speaker B: Only reason I knew some of those old timey actors before I met you was because of Bugs Bunny cartoons. [01:19:20] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Which, of course, they were mostly going after the Warner brothers guys, which Cagney, of course was. But I, Yeah, we have always loved Cagney. I mean, that's my brother's favorite act of all time. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Nice. [01:19:32] Speaker A: I've always, I always been on the Harrison Ford train there. But Cagney's got to be in my. Whatever. Whenever we top five, he's got to be in there, you know, what are we doing here? [01:19:40] Speaker B: You know? Oh, yeah, not especially for you guys. Yeah. And look, folks, you know, it's true, this movie, it's not a movie you think you'd like, but, man, is it, is it amazing. It's just such a fun, fun film to watch. So, so fun. And it'll hit you right in the heart, man. It was so, so, so, so American Pride going on all over the place in that film. It's, it's a lot of fun. [01:20:00] Speaker A: Now, now that we already. We killed all our animal mentions, we're moving on here. I gotta ask you now, unless you want to save this for another pod, another conversation, but if you had to pick a performance that didn't win, what do you think it would be? [01:20:16] Speaker B: Performance that didn't win? [01:20:17] Speaker A: Would it be Daniel Day Lewis in Wasn't that one of. [01:20:20] Speaker B: I think so, I think gangs in [01:20:22] Speaker A: New York and gangs in New York. [01:20:24] Speaker B: He was so freaking. Just menacing in that movie. And talk about, like, here's this British guy, like, you know, people. I can't do accents, okay? I, I can't do them. I have respect for anyone who does accents, but to do such a specific dialect perfectly, it's, I mean, it, it, it's, it's, it's largely underrated when people do that. You know what I mean? Like, it's so hard to do another accent, let alone, you know, this, this hardcore New York accent From the goddamn 1800s, you know what I Mean, like. Yeah, and the way he just, the way he carries himself in that movie, he's, he's, he's frightening. He's a menace, man. But at the same time, you're like, this is also the greatest American that's ever lived. You know, it's, It's, It's. It's a pretty incredible performance. And. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I said that before, and I think I stand by it. Like, I forgot about nominated. I think he'd definitely be number two. He would have been number two on this list if he had gotten nominated for sure. [01:21:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I, I, Maybe the reason why I did mention is because I just wanted to throw out the fact that I always have been with. I know this is gonna sound corny as fuck, but Jimmy Stewart and It's a Wonderful Life to me, I would have. I would have put that. That probably would have been my number one. And, you know, what's funny is, you know, having gone to some theater classes and acting school and everything, you know, there's a big thing with, with the film actors or acting world where they always talk about Marlon Brando in On the Waterfront, kind of bringing this realism to acting that was never on film before kind of a thing, you know, And I understand that, that, that, that is probably the way it is. You know, a lot of the older actors, they. They had their character or they had their personality, and they kind of just acted that for the most part, you know, but to me, there was. There was something about Jimmy Stewart, specifically when he was at the bar and he was just broken and he's praying to God, like, you know, show me the way. I'm telling you right now. I ball every time I watch it because I'm. And, you know, what was. It depends. Sometimes movies depend on when. Where you are in your life when you watch the damn thing, you know what I mean? Maybe at that time I was broken, but I. When I watched that movie and I saw him at that bar, man, I was like that. What a performance. In my opinion. I was like, man, did he nail that. You know, I gotta watch that again. [01:22:38] Speaker B: I've only seen that once, and I don't remember his performance really so great. [01:22:42] Speaker A: I mean, you know, and again, same thing. Like you said, that's the hard thing about this list is you're watching. It's like, how do you judge? You know, something like, there'll be blood against Yankee Doodle Dandy. You know what I mean? [01:22:51] Speaker B: Like, you're. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Or Raging Bull compared to, like, you [01:22:54] Speaker B: know, I Don't know. Right, right. [01:22:56] Speaker A: Gladiator. You know, there's so many different performances. [01:22:59] Speaker B: It's. [01:22:59] Speaker A: It's such a. Such a weird thing, but it's like, again, it's. You have to pick things that really hit you and things that you love. And sometimes also you have to look at the actor and go, wow, that performance blew me away, man. [01:23:10] Speaker B: You know, And I'll tell you what, like, there are some performances that I don't think even got nominated that I'm like, I'm just shocked, you know, like, you know, the aforementioned Gary Oldman in Immortal Beloved, but, like, you know, you know, it's funny, there was a. Like, you know, I can't believe Val. He might have got nominated, but how Val Kilmer didn't win for Tombstone, I'll never know. [01:23:28] Speaker A: Yes, you're right. That was great. Great performance. Yes. [01:23:31] Speaker B: Amazing. And I'll tell you what, like, there are. I've always. I've always remembered this movie. A lot of people don't remember the movie. It's called Murder in the First. You ever see that movie? Kevin Bacon. Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman plays a warden. Kevin Bacon is a broken prisoner. It's one of the best performance I've ever seen that never got talked about. It's one of the best. Kevin Bacon, I'm saying. Yeah, and, and, and he's not, you know, Kevin Bacon is. Is a great, you know, actor, but he's a fun guy. But you don't think of him as a great performance kind of guy. [01:23:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:00] Speaker B: Even though. Even though he is, like, he's right. He's like one of those rocks like Kurt Russell who's just always there. He's always great. He always, always brings it, you know, but he never gets the credit, you know, as an actor that he really should. But him in Murder in the first was pretty incredible. And I remember it was a movie. It was a favorite movie of, like, my friend group back in the early 90s when it came out. And I was shocked that year that he didn't get nominated for that. Like, at least a nomination. Like, I thought he was absolutely incredible. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Wow. [01:24:27] Speaker B: So when you ask a question like that, a lot of those roles shoot it. Yeah. You know, Val Kilmer, Kevin Bacon, Gary Oldman, this movie stat, which is like, wow, like, how did they not get nominated for that? You know? But yeah, like you said, that might be in the fun. Another fun list. We really give it some fun. [01:24:41] Speaker A: That wouldn't. That wouldn't be bad. Yeah, I'm trying to. It's Got to be so many of those. I'm like, wow, how did this person not get nominated for this? You know, I was actually thinking. I'm trying to think of more recent ones. I keep going back old, but even this is not that old. But, like, Steve McQueen, was Papillon on your list? I thought he should have got nominated for Papi. [01:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I wasn't crazy about the movie. He was good in it, but I wasn't crazy about that movie. [01:25:02] Speaker A: I thought he should have been fucking. [01:25:03] Speaker B: That was one with Dustin Hoffman. [01:25:04] Speaker A: Was phenomenal in that, too. Yes. [01:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I've mentioned Dustin Hoffman before, but I still don't get Dustin Hoffman. [01:25:12] Speaker A: You know what I don't get? [01:25:14] Speaker B: I don't think he's a good act. I don't, I never, I don't. Never seen one role of his where I was like, wow, that would, that was good. I don't, I don't understand why people like Dustin Hoffman as an actor. I just don't. [01:25:23] Speaker A: It's funny you say that, because I have to say I've, I'm trying now. I'm trying to go back now. I, I have to say I thought he was phenomenal in Papillon. I will give him that. I saw the Graduate. I wasn't again. It's not really my kind of movie. I never saw Tootsie. That, that to me, always gets a big rating. [01:25:37] Speaker B: It was fun and he was funny in it. But, you know, I mean, Rain Man, I thought was just. To me, it's like Pacino's win. Like, it was so overrated. Like, I don't, I don't get it. [01:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I've only seen. If I saw it once. I don't remember. I have to rewatch it again. If I saw it, even if I saw the whole thing. It's been a while. Yeah. [01:25:56] Speaker B: I mean, all the President's Men, Kramer versus Kramer. Seen them all. [01:25:59] Speaker A: Never saw that. [01:26:00] Speaker B: No, I'm just not. I'm just not feeling it. But I'll tell you what. Like, Hook. [01:26:04] Speaker A: You don't think he was good in the Hook? I mean, what are we doing? [01:26:06] Speaker B: I do not. I don't think he was good enough. Yeah, like I said something about the guy. I don't hate him or anything. I, I, I don't, you know, I don't not want to watch movies he's in, but he just, he does absolutely nothing for me. And I never understood the hype. One caveat. I will say this. I have. I've never seen the Graduation. It. I'll say that so that's one of the big ones that I've never seen. Yeah, that's. That's been on my list for decades. I'm gonna watch it at some point. [01:26:29] Speaker A: But, I mean, it was funny. It was, it was very interesting. But I don't know, to me, it was like. And I don't know. How about. You ever see Midnight Cowboy? [01:26:35] Speaker B: You know what? No, I've never seen that one either. [01:26:38] Speaker A: There's another story that they always tell in some of the theater classes or some of the people. At least I, I've been told the story a few times. You ever hear the story about. With him and another movie I never saw with Lawrence Olivier and a movie called the Marathon Man. [01:26:51] Speaker B: I know of the movie, but no, I've never seen it. [01:26:53] Speaker A: I'm gonna mess this up entirely. But basically, he's about to do a scene where he is out of breath. He's supposed to be coming into the scene very, very, you know, exhausted kind of thing. So he's running up and down stairs in this building before doing the scene. Lawrence Olivier stops me, goes, what the hell are you doing? You know, he says, oh, I'm getting ready for the scene here. I got to be out of breath. And he goes, well, why don't you just try acting? [01:27:21] Speaker B: Give that a try. That was. [01:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah, it was pretty. I was like, wow. You know, and again, you know, he's another guy to gets mentioned. I, I, Lawrence Olivier. I've only seen this Hitchcock movie called Rebecca, which I loved when I watched it in college. I watched it recently. But Alison, we were like, eh, I don't know. I don't know why this gets the hype it gets, you know, but I can't say shit about Lawrence Liberty. I really haven't seen a lot, so, [01:27:40] Speaker B: you know, I bet you I know one of the movies you've seen him in that you don't remember that he was in. [01:27:44] Speaker A: Here we go. Here we fucking go. Tell me. [01:27:49] Speaker B: He was, he was, he was in Clash of the Titans. Did you see that? [01:27:51] Speaker A: No, I never saw that movie. Never saw it? [01:27:53] Speaker B: What? Really? [01:27:53] Speaker A: No, I know he played, he played [01:27:55] Speaker B: Zeus in Clash of the Titans. [01:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I missed a lot of fucking movies, man. I know. [01:27:59] Speaker B: Especially it was very. It's very Marlon Brando and Superman, you know, very like, oh, my God, they got this legendary actor to sort of play this minor but bravado sort of role, you know, where he just brings this presence as an actor, you know. So that's the only, that's the only movie I've ever Seen him in. I've never seen any other Lawrence Olivier movies. [01:28:18] Speaker A: Hilarious. [01:28:18] Speaker B: That's ridiculous. [01:28:20] Speaker A: You know, by the way, since you were going up those two movies I gotta hit you with here that have one. No, one of them. One, one. One of them won Best Picture. Yeah. Called All About Eve. You ever hear that? [01:28:31] Speaker B: I've heard of it, sure. [01:28:33] Speaker A: I thought it was, eh. [01:28:34] Speaker B: I mean. [01:28:34] Speaker A: Now I'm gonna get on here. Another one. This didn't win Best Picture. You ever hear a movie called Sunset Boulevard? [01:28:40] Speaker B: Sure. [01:28:41] Speaker A: That was a really wilder movie. For some reason I thought it was boring as hell. And I just don't. I don't. Sometimes these movies happen. I. To me, they just don't. I don't understand the whole thing. What about. You know. [01:28:50] Speaker B: But what's funny, like some of the classics that I was talking about that you gave me on that list, right? Like some of the undeniable, absolute bangers like Casablanca, like Angels with Dirty Faces, like Yankee Doodle Dandy. But then again, there were some classics that I just. It Happened One Night was another great one. But then like, there were some. I didn't like Gunga Din, I didn't like the Searchers. I didn't. You know, I mean there were some that I just didn't. I just. Yeah. Like I didn't get right. And like you said, everybody, it's got to be about time and a place sometimes too, you know. [01:29:17] Speaker A: No doubt. [01:29:17] Speaker B: Johnny Dangerously example is huge, right? Perfect. [01:29:20] Speaker A: That's a perfect one. You always love going back there. [01:29:23] Speaker B: Taylor made to love that movie, but because I think we forced it on you that day. You just weren't in the mood to watch that type of movie at that time. [01:29:31] Speaker A: Time. I have to. [01:29:31] Speaker B: It just fell flat. [01:29:32] Speaker A: I got. That's got to be number one on my rewatchable. [01:29:35] Speaker B: You gotta watch that, dude. You gotta watch it with me. Yeah, I want to watch it [01:29:40] Speaker A: because [01:29:41] Speaker B: Johnny Dangerously is a classic. [01:29:42] Speaker A: We gotta do a marathon with that Mr. Smith goes to Washington and the Color Purple. [01:29:48] Speaker B: Definitely we gotta do that. You know, it's funny, they just showed Mr. Smith goes to Washington at my community. Oh, really? Yeah, the. The residents wanted to watch it, so we put it on the list. I was like, maybe I should stick around tonight and just watch that movie finally, you know, right? We got to do a marathon day where we just those three movies and boom. And then we call it a call. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Maybe we'll do it up in Boston. Let Troy. Troy back. I'm getting the out of here, guys. Have fun. [01:30:11] Speaker B: He would love it. Are you Kidding me. Oh, yeah. All right. That kind of game. Oh, no, he. Totally. Any. Any kind of, like, movie plan, like, he's. He's all down. He would love it. [01:30:20] Speaker A: Nice. [01:30:21] Speaker B: Well, listen, yeah, I just want to make sure. Before we close this out, I want to thank Luke for producing this thing. Luke, thank you so much. We couldn't do it without you. Thanks to everybody for. For listening, man. Really appreciate it. I know the Adams family listens to this pod now and thanks, you guys for listening. [01:30:36] Speaker A: Wow. Hello, everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:30:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they. They. They hit me with comments and everything. It was a lot of. A lot of fun hearing them. Hearing them talk. [01:30:44] Speaker A: John rattled. Last time I saw Johnny was rounding off some good Bugs Bunny ones. We forgot to put on our list, by the way. I don't remember that. [01:30:49] Speaker B: Oh, no question about it. I don't know if you notice or not, but I feel like we've given the hickory a shout out, like, on every pod. Like, it seems like he just comes, he pops up, and I'm. Before, I'm sorry. [01:30:57] Speaker A: We. [01:30:57] Speaker B: My friend, we call him the hick. So. Yeah, so we just mentioned him like crazy. So. Yeah. So thanks for listening. I really appreciate that. And. Hey, man, what do you got? [01:31:06] Speaker A: I got nothing. You know, hopefully we'll. If we do another one before the auction, we'll see, but whatever one we do after that, we'll have to probably spend a few minutes dissecting the show there after it's all over there, but we'll see. [01:31:16] Speaker B: Yeah, why not? We'll do a little, uh. Do a little quick, uh, quick Oscar chat there in the beginning of the next, uh, next pod and see. See who wins. That'd be awesome. [01:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And I don't know what. What topic we have next, but I'm sure it will be an interesting one. We'll see that. [01:31:28] Speaker B: See you then.